"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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rock climbing as a date?

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for girls who have never done it before (99% of the population), would this be too much as a first date? i climb frequently, as well as do a lot of hiking and back country skiing.

when i do these activities i usually go with a designated group of buddies, mostly guys, do you guys think brining a college/club girl unto one of these trips is a good idea?

or should i stick with smaller things in my city?

thanks
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Soprano

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i wouldnt, too much of a hassle to f'n look after her ass rock climbing.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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How about something that will allow her to feel comfortable while getting to know you?
 
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coffee dates for first dates?

btw i have always been a group person, eating, clubbing, hanging out, etc, and i'm relatively new to the dating scene, i guess i should be fighting the temptation of group dates?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Centaurion

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Rock Climbing could be fun if you do it indoors at one of those rock climbing centres.

You could also go for a coffee date, but that requires you to be able to hold a convo and be a charming bastard.
 

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Centaurion said:
Rock Climbing could be fun if you do it indoors at one of those rock climbing centres.

You could also go for a coffee date, but that requires you to be able to hold a convo and be a charming bastard.

I agree. Do it in door that way she isn't that scared, and she will still associate you with 'being excited'!
 

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Going to some place for coffee sounds really boring to me. It reminds me of one of those guys who carry a laptop around with them. Additionally, I wouldn't want to spend too much time with some chick who's going to end up with stained teeth from drinking all that coffee. If she insists on meeting someplace like that, then I think you should have better things to do with your time.

I think you should have meet her place or your place to 'watch a movie' and just get sex out of the way, to be honest. If you can't pull that off, then how about a walk through the zoo followed by a picnic in the park (hopefully there is one nearby). Art museum is too quite for me.\

As far as rock climbing goes, that might be OK for some girls, but it's not for everyone. That's something I'd be more likely to do down the road. I really don't think you need to impress most women to sleep with them, since women are generally much more sexual than men to begin with.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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It's funny to see just how many ways that guys come up with to avoid just sitting down with a woman face to face to get to know her. One day you guy's will realize that more guys than just you can take her rock climbing, movies, zoos or where ever. What you guys need to learn is how to get her interested enough in you, not what you do or where you take her.
 
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