"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Responding to stupid BS questions women pull

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Had a conversation with a HB8 on tinder that went like this:

Me: Let's grab a drink sometime next week, drop me your number and I'll text you soon
HB8: Hahaha, where do you have in mind?
Me: xxx. What nights are you free?
HB8: Next week?
Me: Yes
HB8: Hmm Tuesday is fine, do you ask every girl out on tinder?
Me: Nah. Sounds good, I'll see you at 8pm at xxx. Give me your number, keep in touch.
HB8: Haha, I haven't said yes you know, why did you decide to ask me out?
Me: Why not?
HB8: You tell me, what made you ask me out, something you don't do to every girl here

Low interest/insecurity/seeking validation? How do I respond?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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If the girl won't give you her number on Tinder she won't meet for a date either. I'd would amplify and mirror it back with something c0cky. "Just trying to squeeze to in a date for Tuesday, it's the only open slot I have left".

You probably won't get the number, she's probably just online for validation but it's fun to fvck with them when you realize that
 

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Never let women control the conversation (or anything else).

Here is how I would respond to each of those lines:

HB8: Hmm Tuesday is fine, do you ask every girl out on tinder?
ME: No. I don't use Tinder much.

HB8: Haha, I haven't said yes you know, why did you decide to ask me out?
ME: Because I find you attractive. What other reason do you go out with people you meet on a dating app?

HB8: You tell me, what made you ask me out, something you don't do to every girl here
ME: Because I find you attractive. What other reason do you go out with people you meet on a dating app?

If she doesn't provide her number after that.. move on. If a woman is being difficult this early she is probably not worth it. Either she is an entitled high maintenance c*nt or she has low interest. Both reasons are bad for you.
 

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Had a conversation with a HB8 on tinder that went like this:

Me: Let's grab a drink sometime next week, drop me your number and I'll text you soon
HB8: Hahaha, where do you have in mind?
Me: xxx. What nights are you free?
HB8: Next week?
Me: Yes
HB8: Hmm Tuesday is fine, do you ask every girl out on tinder?
Me: Nah. Sounds good, I'll see you at 8pm at xxx. Give me your number, keep in touch.
HB8: Haha, I haven't said yes you know, why did you decide to ask me out?
Me: Why not?
HB8: You tell me, what made you ask me out, something you don't do to every girl here

Low interest/insecurity/seeking validation? How do I respond?
I was going to add in what I would change in your responses, but in the big picture this girl is simply low-interest. Your looks/pictures didn't excite her enough to make you a priority - she would not do this with a guy whos looks made her pvssy tingle and she didn't want to risk losing, regardless of whether this was the best game you could've run on her or not. And in this case it's not just the obstacles she's putting in the way but the bullsh!t way she does it. She knows this is Tinder, not Okcupid, and she's on there for the same reason you are but she still goes on her high horse and tries to make you justify yourself to her like you're supposed to impress her on Tinder or asking girls on Tinder out who you want to fvck is an affront.
 

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Had a conversation with a HB8 on tinder that went like this:

Me: Let's grab a drink sometime next week, drop me your number and I'll text you soon
HB8: Hahaha, where do you have in mind?
Me: xxx. What nights are you free?
HB8: Next week?
Me: Yes
HB8: Hmm Tuesday is fine, do you ask every girl out on tinder?
Me: Nah. Sounds good, I'll see you at 8pm at xxx. Give me your number, keep in touch.
HB8: Haha, I haven't said yes you know, why did you decide to ask me out?
Me: Why not?
HB8: You tell me, what made you ask me out, something you don't do to every girl here

Low interest/insecurity/seeking validation? How do I respond?
This is ridiculous. She's on fvcking tinder - what does she expect you do to? Send her cat pictures while you tell her about your childhood? You dont even know her and she's already trying to make you jump thru hoops. She's definitely seeking validation. My suggestion is to NC her or reply back and say "you're already too much work" and then NC her. She needs to know that she's being far too difficult for tinder.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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What a loser.
 

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Had a conversation with a HB8 on tinder that went like this:

Me: Let's grab a drink sometime next week, drop me your number and I'll text you soon
HB8: Hahaha, where do you have in mind?
Me: xxx. What nights are you free?
HB8: Next week?
Me: Yes
HB8: Hmm Tuesday is fine, do you ask every girl out on tinder?
Me: Nah. Sounds good, I'll see you at 8pm at xxx. Give me your number, keep in touch.
HB8: Haha, I haven't said yes you know, why did you decide to ask me out?
Me: Why not?
HB8: You tell me, what made you ask me out, something you don't do to every girl here

Low interest/insecurity/seeking validation? How do I respond?
Tap dancing. She doesn't want to say no but her interest isn't very high.

"What made you ask me out?"

"You will find out tuesday."

" i haven't said yes yet." **which is her fishing for a reason to say no/excuse/lame reason to not go. Aka she is fishing for you to show her your value. She wanted you to blow her socks off with something because she is probably asked out by 20 guys a day and its always the same old thing.

You " looks like Tuesday doesn't actually work for me. Sorry going to have to reschedule with you i already have 2 dates tuesday. Text you later."

Then you decide if you want to next her or try again down the road
 

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Had a conversation with a HB8 on tinder that went like this:

Me: Let's grab a drink sometime next week, drop me your number and I'll text you soon
I know men are supposed to "take charge" but this sentence is too presumptuous.

HB8: Hahaha, where do you have in mind?
Me: xxx. What nights are you free?
HB8: Next week?
Me: Yes
HB8: Hmm Tuesday is fine, do you ask every girl out on tinder?
Exactly what Poon said. Question assumes you ask every girl out, question assumes you use tinder a lot.

Me: Nah. Sounds good, I'll see you at 8pm at xxx. Give me your number, keep in touch.
HB8: Haha, I haven't said yes you know, why did you decide to ask me out?
Me: Why not?
When you say "why not" it could mean you asked her out because

1) A girl finally responded to you
2) You have a bet with a friend you could get a girl from tinder.
3) You had nothing else to do
4) You are doing her a favour
5) etc

You have to provide something there.

HB8: You tell me, what made you ask me out, something you don't do to every girl here

Low interest/insecurity/seeking validation? How do I respond?
Do what Poon said.
 

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As an extension to what Poon King said, I'd add that I always think "if she's this much effort now...it's not going to get any easier." It'll be test, test, test until you do or do not sleep with her and I doubt it'll be worth it. At this point I would unceremoniously delete her number and move onto the next one. The older I get, the more I think that you can't win them all and the effort to change a girl's mind is often not worth it. She might pop back up onto the scene in a few months and you just pick up where you left off, ask her out, anything other than a yes...back to the bin for her.
 

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I just started using tinder. Had a convo similar to what poon king has written and she accused me of objectifying her lol. I'm still not sure about tinder game. I started to just keep it short and sweet and ask for the number usually by the 3rd or 4th msg.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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