Young Juan
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Curious to see if anyone with experience can provide insight: Is there any way this works without one party converting?
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Religious Differences: Christian Male, Muslim Woman
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Mantis Toboggan
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Much like other religions, there's always the possibility of religion NOT dominating the lives of this woman and her family. There are plenty of regular folks out there who say "Hey I believe in one god. You believe in one god. That's close enough."
If either side is hardcore about their religion, then obviously it's not going to work out longterm. But you could say that about anything.
If either side is hardcore about their religion, then obviously it's not going to work out longterm. But you could say that about anything.
Diaforetikos
Senior Don Juan
What Mantis said.
To be honest, it wont work. Unless you act like a real christian. Like for reals. True love man. And don't force your religion down her throat. Even Jesus didn't do that.
I'm just being real man. I know first hand.
To be honest, it wont work. Unless you act like a real christian. Like for reals. True love man. And don't force your religion down her throat. Even Jesus didn't do that.
I'm just being real man. I know first hand.
Young Juan
Senior Don Juan
Let me clarify: the issue isn't between us, it's between our families and/or us...continue
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
There is no reason why having sex outside of marriage would make you a "fake" Christian.J Roc said:
It may be hypocritical, and it may be considered wrong (according to the Bible), but it is accepted that everyone is a sinner.
powpow
Senior Don Juan
The Bible says to be equally yolked bro. This means shes gotta convert or its not gonna work out. You know this.
KarmaSutra
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Eventually you'll want anal.
You'll try guilting her into it by bludgeoning her repeatedly over the head with the Bible.
She'll retort with summoning 72 virgin demons on you.
Is this broad really worth the eternal damnation and torment?
You'll try guilting her into it by bludgeoning her repeatedly over the head with the Bible.
She'll retort with summoning 72 virgin demons on you.
Is this broad really worth the eternal damnation and torment?
Diaforetikos
Senior Don Juan
This thread is officially out of hand.
Huffman
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Well if you're gaming a muslim woman and she's over 20, chances are she's already married 
Seriously though, I LOVE exotic girls. Arab women, especially with the headscarf, wear makeup in a form that makes their face look incredibly beautiful... but some things just don't fit. Other than "true love" and a life full of prejudice and sacrifice, I don't think you have much options.
Then again, I think it depends on the girl's family. There are some very moderate muslims, for example from Turkey, where the whole thing could be a minor issue. Then again, if she's Arab or Bengali, they could be very rigid.
Seriously though, I LOVE exotic girls. Arab women, especially with the headscarf, wear makeup in a form that makes their face look incredibly beautiful... but some things just don't fit. Other than "true love" and a life full of prejudice and sacrifice, I don't think you have much options.
Then again, I think it depends on the girl's family. There are some very moderate muslims, for example from Turkey, where the whole thing could be a minor issue. Then again, if she's Arab or Bengali, they could be very rigid.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Mantis Toboggan
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There's a lot of fake Christians out there then, eh?J Roc said:
Rhoto
Master Don Juan
If you're dating no problem.
If you're getting married, she has to convert, or the family won't honor the marriage. Idea being, if the Man is a Muslim, and the woman is not - he will allow her to continue to practice her religion, but raise his children as Muslims.
A Muslim woman marring a non-Muslim man is frowned upon because you run the risk of not being allowed to practice Islam.
Islam is an interesting religion. I'd at least become familiar with it - check out this book. http://www.amazon.com/Islam-101-Principles-Arshad-Khan/dp/0595262996/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1299000858&sr=8-1
Presuming shes bona-fide.
If you're getting married, she has to convert, or the family won't honor the marriage. Idea being, if the Man is a Muslim, and the woman is not - he will allow her to continue to practice her religion, but raise his children as Muslims.
A Muslim woman marring a non-Muslim man is frowned upon because you run the risk of not being allowed to practice Islam.
Islam is an interesting religion. I'd at least become familiar with it - check out this book. http://www.amazon.com/Islam-101-Principles-Arshad-Khan/dp/0595262996/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1299000858&sr=8-1
Presuming shes bona-fide.
powpow
Senior Don Juan
extramarital sex does not make you a non-Christian.
But it is a sin. Which throws you in the same bin as everyone else on the planet. Thats why grace is such a good thing.
But it is a sin. Which throws you in the same bin as everyone else on the planet. Thats why grace is such a good thing.
betterthandead
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Depends how both of you are serious about religion. If you go to church every Sunday and she does that Sunset head bowing down thing every day, then it's going to be a problem in the long run.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Thundernuts
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Dude, you will have plenty of chances to shove objects down her throat. Plenty. Honestly, don't even worry about it unless you've been with her for awhile. And if she turns you down because of your religion, be a man about and show respect, religion is one of the fundamentals of a society. Islam is on the other side of the world so naturally it can conflict with our version of religion. But that doesn't mean it can't work.Diaforetikos said:
And besides, even if you can't marry her, you can still put things inside of her, just don't beat her with a bible. Even Jesus didn't do that.