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Existing research conveys the idea that fewer people are meeting their romantic partners through some sort of church or church related activity.

Church participation is decreasing, especially among Millennials (early 1980s to mid-1990s births). Go to almost any Judeo-Christian religion's Sunday service and look for 21-40 year old single people. It is a missing demographic in churches.

The only 21-40 year olds who actually practice religion are already married and usually have kids.

Many of the Christian religions ban pre-marital sex. Catholic doctrine bans pre-marital sex and contraception in most cases. Adhering to those two things would immensely decrease the market for finding a partner. The only valid marriages for Catholics are marriages in the Catholic Church between two Catholics or an interfaith marriage when the non-Catholic partner agrees to have the children raised at Catholics. Catholic doctrine is very strict if it is adhered to as it is intended to be. The majority of self-proclaimed Catholics don't do it because I sense that the perception is that it is highly impractical in a lot of circumstances. Other Christian denominations are mixed on pre-marital sex, but the most ardent Protestant sects likely ban pre-marital sex. Almost all Protestant sects are ok with contraception.

I have some familiarity with Mormonism. Good people. If you want to be successful with extended relationships with practicing Mormons, you're probably going to need to convert. Mormons also ban pre-marital sex.

I was once on a trip in Utah and I had to take a bathroom break. I was in Provo, UT, home of Brigham Young University, a strict Mormon college with a code of conduct that I would not have been able to adhere to when I was a college student. I would not have lasted 3 days at BYU without a code violation. I stopped at a Walgreens. After going to the bathroom, I took a look to see what the condom aisle looked like in a highly Mormon town. There was a full selection of condoms there, not unlike a Walgreens in Denver or Las Vegas.
I like this Code of Conduct very, very much.

I still have sleeveless tops, I swear and I have 2 piercings besides each other in the regular place in each ear which I actually regret. I was copycatting a pretty teacher who wore one dainty earring besides the bigger earring. It looked so nice back when I was 13 but my parents discouraged me until I was 16/17 when I transferred to the public school system. Then I got it done.

Can't undo a pierced hole but I can donate the sleeveless tops and practice not swearing. Swearing was a stress relief technique at work and a deterrant when I didn't want a guy coming on to me in other situations.

All the other conduct codes I'm so good with! Except for example, I'm drinking a decaf coffee right now. That's probably not even allowed.
I do love hot beverages. Maybe just eat more clear soups instead.

Hey, I really don't care for men having beards. So many refuse to colour them to match their scalp hair or even just to avoid that messy salt and pepper look and it always looks weird.
So I really like the men's dress code too:)
 
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Mormonism.

For what I know of them culturally:

They have excellent selfcare standards.

They don't drink alcohol.

They appear to know gender roles well.

This is enough so far for me to consider them. Any experience or thoughts?

Please comment what you know.
This is a solid group. I have nothing but good things to say about it/them/any. Like ALL groups is some rotten apples.

What you can expect:

the good.

-Real and fake interest in your well being. Some of it is very real and deep.
-A brotherhood and sisterhood that is like no other. If you are in, you are in and can expect if you have a problem that help will come like the wind and with the strength of thunder. You will NOT be alone. There is someone that will help you with any problem, even big ones. -Initially you will be treated as a child of the group with proactive attention to your well-being. If you had no family you will in this group.
-Insist on healthy living. You will get stronger and better at what you do and will learn new things and cut any vices.
-Masculine centered.

the other(depending on your viewpoint).

- you will give 10% of your money, no exceptions or you will be out. (cheap for the depth of this club and what is offered).
- you will give 100% of your time that is not spent working, no more problem of finding a purpose you will be given one.

the bad.

- As in all things human, there is some corruption.
- requirement to LOOK perfect, in different ways than we would expect.


there is much more about it.. it can be a good choice for a person that has not found a path that works for them.

A man that I respected much, told me before that he did not believe the teachings but knew it was the best way to manage his family and went along for that reason alone. There are many men in that group doing the same for the same reasons.

Not a place for feminism.
 

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This is a solid group. I have nothing but good things to say about it/them/any. Like ALL groups is some rotten apples.

What you can expect:

the good.

-Real and fake interest in your well being. Some of it is very real and deep.
-A brotherhood and sisterhood that is like no other. If you are in, you are in and can expect if you have a problem that help will come like the wind and with the strength of thunder. You will NOT be alone. There is someone that will help you with any problem, even big ones. -Initially you will be treated as a child of the group with proactive attention to your well-being. If you had no family you will in this group.
-Insist on healthy living. You will get stronger and better at what you do and will learn new things and cut any vices.
-Masculine centered.

the other(depending on your viewpoint).

- you will give 10% of your money, no exceptions or you will be out. (cheap for the depth of this club and what is offered).
- you will give 100% of your time that is not spent working, no more problem of finding a purpose you will be given one.

the bad.

- As in all things human, there is some corruption.
- requirement to LOOK perfect, in different ways than we would expect.


there is much more about it.. it can be a good choice for a person that has not found a path that works for them.

A man that I respected much, told me before that he did not believe the teachings but knew it was the best way to manage his family and went along for that reason alone. There are many men in that group doing the same for the same reasons.

Not a place for feminism.
omit the fact I work fulltime and what I do?
omit the fact I'm not a virgin and have had premarital sex?
omit the fact I have drank and smoked cigarettes before?

I am far from their ideal, but close enough to try practicing their lifestyle before joining

Thanks for your comment
 

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omit the fact I work fulltime and what I do?
omit the fact I'm not a virgin and have had premarital sex?
omit the fact I have drank and smoked cigarettes before?

I am far from their ideal, but close enough to try practicing their lifestyle before joining

Thanks for your comment
Well, you sound similar to every other woman I have known as it relates to this. No need to omit those facts, much better to own them than hide them. Those do not have any negative for you as it relates to this topic. Your good to go, or just good.

Think about it like a HUGE self-improvement plan. Everyone starts someplace.

Forgiveness is granted when we honestly WANT to improve. Those things you mention are past not future, no big deal. It is actually part of the whole point to have a way to move on and improve. Working full time is no sin, it is necessary and given respect when it is needed. If married and the man is capable and does work and can provide for the family that is the best model (for this group) and not to have the woman also working just to be rich. She instead will care for the husband, children, and family while at the same time have friendships with other women doing the same. If she is single and works it is understood that is a respected thing and much better than being lazy and asking help.
 

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Well, you sound similar to every other woman I have known as it relates to this. No need to omit those facts, much better to own them than hide them. Those do not have any negative for you as it relates to this topic. Your good to go, or just good.

Think about it like a HUGE self-improvement plan. Everyone starts someplace.

Forgiveness is granted when we honestly WANT to improve. Those things you mention are past not future, no big deal. It is actually part of the whole point to have a way to move on and improve. Working full time is no sin, it is necessary and given respect when it is needed. If married and the man is capable and does work and can provide for the family that is the best model (for this group) and not to have the woman also working just to be rich. She instead will care for the husband, children, and family while at the same time have friendships with other women doing the same. If she is single and works it is understood that is a respected thing and much better than being lazy and asking help.
metalwater, do you think its possible Mormon men are red pilled to a certain extent?
 

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I had contemplated doing this years ago. The only thing I would suggest is to avoid the culty religions: The Mormons, Scientology, and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Find out what the punishment is premarital sex. If you just have to go into a confession booth and talk about your night of passion, then it's a green light. If you get booted and ex-communicated from the group, stay the fvck away from it.
 

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I had contemplated doing this years ago. The only thing I would suggest is to avoid the culty religions: The Mormons, Scientology, and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Find out what the punishment is premarital sex. If you just have to go into a confession booth and talk about your night of passion, then it's a green light. If you get booted and ex-communicated from the group, stay the fvck away from it.
good idea with finding out what the 'punishment for sins' is before joining

I wish I could jist hang out with Mormon men somewhere even. It would be so chill to meet men who don't drink or substance abuse.
 

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good idea with finding out what the 'punishment for sins' is before joining

I wish I could jist hang out with Mormon men somewhere even. It would be so chill to meet men who don't drink or substance abuse.
I am not a salesman for them. But I do know and understand them. You can hang out with them, just contact them and let them know. You are already wise and smart so can watch for stuff you think is goofy. There is NO punishment for anything you did in the past. If you ever joined with them, and then did stuff that they think is not cool they might through you out. Same as any other social circle will if you go against what that community is. Nothing to lose to check it out. You also might like to hang out with the women, they for the most part get it also. Just like any other social circle if you are in already, there are plenty of men that are available or know who is. A person will get as good as they give; usually. feel free to pm me about it, or just ask anything in this thread, but it probably is outside the subject matter of the forum.
 

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The last time the jehovah's witnesses came knocking, I thought they were vacuum cleaner salesmen. I hope they weren't actually sent from God, because I was a total d1ck to them.
 

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I am not a salesman for them. But I do know and understand them. You can hang out with them, just contact them and let them know. You are already wise and smart so can watch for stuff you think is goofy. There is NO punishment for anything you did in the past. If you ever joined with them, and then did stuff that they think is not cool they might through you out. Same as any other social circle will if you go against what that community is. Nothing to lose to check it out. You also might like to hang out with the women, they for the most part get it also. Just like any other social circle if you are in already, there are plenty of men that are available or know who is. A person will get as good as they give; usually. feel free to pm me about it, or just ask anything in this thread, but it probably is outside the subject matter of the forum.
I met two 2 years ago. We went for juice at a coffee shop near here. Their time was valuable to me.

We talked about a pamplet they had with them.

I started crying. I remember the feeling but I don't remember exactly what we were talking about.

I backed out of meeting up with the women because I wanted to think.
I know one should never make a serious decision while emotional.
Because I'm female I knew about the power of being on an emotional rollercoaster and I was afraid to be vulnerable as I didn't know if I'd be manipulated.
Even though I trusted them and they had that wonderful glow, that inner light of people with purpose.
I had to delay.

In a way, I made the right decision because then I had the opportunity to try premarital sex one more time with this last ex and look what I got taught! (red pill)

And now I'm back full circle, quit smoking, still not drinking, now no coffee.

I'm pretty well ready.
Not exactly a good time to get into a new faith(coronavirus) but I've overcome obstacles before.
There's little things like it wouldn't exactly be appropriate to show up to work with a dress on and during work I must wear pants.

And about 100 other little things. Like I'm not done paying off debt yet and its irresponsible to start tithing when that money should be taking care of things I promised to pay.

I wish I could practice like a Latter Day Saints-'lite' until I can commit.

Which I'm already doing. I didn't swear once today. Gave up porn too.
 

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Having read what I've read, I think from my experience encountering, yes, even "Mormons," is they think they know EVERYTHING or are the Authority on Ev-er-y-thing. If you've not read what I've read, how can you know what I know?
 

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Having read what I've read, I think from my experience encountering, yes, even "Mormons," is they think they know EVERYTHING or are the Authority on Ev-er-y-thing. If you've not read what I've read, how can you know what I know?
yes, taught to be dominant, leaders, head of household, and community leaders. Yes, I can, is taught. Confidence to the point of arrogance in some cases. Exactly what we sometimes teach in red pill as being attractive to women....
 

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I know I have to come to terms with the matchmaking with single(divorced or widowed?) fathers.

I really don't prefer kids. I don't know what D would be that good that I'd want to help raise his kids.
I'm being brutally honest here but I hope I can socially calibrate not to say this out loud with new friends. Noone appreciates a minority outlier or whatever I'm termed as because I'm childfree by choice.
Maybe adult kids would be ok.
Smart girl. Kids are a big pain in the azz.
 

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If you are in the Southeastern part of the PNW or Rocky Mountain states there is certainly a big part of the community that is Mormon. SO there is the advantage of a built in Social circle.

I liken it to the Greek Community at college. If you find the right group of people the letters on the sweatshirt make no difference. i would come at it from the perspective of that you like these people and being in that religion gives you access to more people like that.

So go and "rush" a few different churches...(Best analogy I could think of)

The rush process varies from campus to campus. “Rushing” is when students become acquainted with the different fraternities or sororities on campus, and the process can range from very formal and structured to informal and casual. Sorority rush tends to be more formal, with different themes and requirements for each day.

Normally, rush occurs at the beginning of the fall and/or spring semester, and it lasts about a week. During this time, students meet with different fraternities and sororities on campus and get to know the members and the organization’s values, which can focus on things like philanthropy, leadership, or religion, to decide whether or not to pledge. At the same time, the members are getting to know the students, too, and also figuring out whether or not they would be a good fit for their particular chapter.

When the rush process is over, the members of the different fraternity and sorority chapters will meet and decide whether not they want to extend a bid, or invitation, to students who they think will pledge their organization.

Once a student accepts a bid to a certain organization, the pledging process begins. This can range from a couple of weeks to an entire semester. During this time the pledges get to know the members of the organization, as well as those joining with them, and the organization’s traditions, values, history, etc. At the end of the pledge period, the new members are officially initiated into the chapter. Different organizations have a variety of initiation traditions, which are usually kept secret.
The other way to audition religions might be to take a basic introductory night/remote class in religions from the local/state college or Junior college. Not sure if any of these deal with the downsides of each belief though.


I've met some real nice Mormons in my life. They were really nice because they didn't try to convert me. If you feel pressured to convert and do a wholesale change of your life, that would be a red flag to me.
 

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Lynx, I'd have sent this to you via pm but was unable to. This is an interesting perspective about a writer and podcast host I find to be a good source on topics that "your dad should have taught you"

 

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Lynx, I'd have sent this to you via pm but was unable to. This is an interesting perspective about a writer and podcast host I find to be a good source on topics that "your dad should have taught you"

Thank you, sorry I turned off my pm awhile ago. I appreciate all this help, I will read in about 20 min.


I listened to this and I feel like I got some more inside info.

Of course that gender disparity is disappointing.

I liked the interviewee and will google some of the Art of Manliness.

I liked how he admitted church would be more exciting if it was action based more than relational based.

Thanks again @2Rocky
 
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Just let it be known, Mormons are Zionists, which is why most are so rich.
 

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