"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Relationship Degree Poll

What is your preferred degree of relationships with women?


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I-am-someone

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Dear Mature Men,

This is a research post for something I've been curious about for a while.
What I would like to find out is this:

What is your preferred level of relationships with women?

The outcome of this poll may help people by indicating what the most popular and desirable kind of a relationship is, so choose your preference!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Vulpine

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I couldn't vote.

My preferred relationship degree is based on the woman. WIthout that input, I'm unable to answer.
 

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Vulpine said:
I couldn't vote.

My preferred relationship degree is based on the woman. WIthout that input, I'm unable to answer.

Here here. I typed the same thing and then saw you beat me to it, ya bastard:up:
 

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I had actually already considered that - but then I figured that this is not about the women.
This is about what you prefer.

If you know what you want, you can find a woman/women that is/are interested in the same thing. It shouldn't be the other way around, if you ask me.
 

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And, like I said, I prefer to make a judgement based on the woman. Did I st-sstuh-stutter? You could have made that a choice.

Ok. I don't have a goal, or a finish-line, or target with regards to women. They are just around. You meet a woman, and things develop into what they are going to be. Prefer? I prefer to let things develop into what they are going to be. There's no telling ahead of time what that is. ONS, STR, MTR, LTR, Marriage... without a crystal ball, there is no telling.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I-am-someone

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That's actually pretty interesting.
I think you do have a valid point, this poll assumes that we have a single goal instead of having flowing relationships. Flowing relationships are much more likely and much more realistic.

However, for getting clear and relevant information on the desires and preferences we have, that shouldn't be included.

I do agree on your comment. Relationships are flowing, not absolute.
 

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I prefer that my relationships absolutely stop flowing for about one week a month while the woman is flowing.
 

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Oh, ok. That's simple. I'm a male. It's a no brainer! If you factor out all of the "real life" concerns...

Fine, I'll vote.

You guys are all liars. You would all prefer the same as I do, but "real life concerns" get in the way: VD, child support, psychos, etc.
 

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I voted for regular fukk buddy, but as others have said it depends on the woman.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Hitman10000

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Multiple LTR here.

I like LTR, but I have a type of personality that's ready to leave a girl within a day even if things are going alright in a relationship for a year or 3 years.
 

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Cazh FB for sure.

If I'm w/ a chick and we dig each other in the sack, it's great that we can count on each for an occassional romp, no questions asked, no need to re-discover each other, and the casual relationship means we should have enough honesty to make things real.
 
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