Rejection of kino

[godblessamerica]

It’s a long post sorry?

Met an HB 9 about a year ago. Dated reasonably frequently she has had two previous LTR’s in the past but nothing serious at the moment. Gets hit on a lot by AFC’s. Very independent, got money, intelligent, very competitive. Always pays her own way insists on it. Always attempts to pay for me as well .. I get real suspicious of that because I think deep down she is trying to dominate.
Made my intentions clear from start .. nothing over the top ..no innuendos!! just eye contact , body language and of course kino but light kino she gets the message I am generating alright ..However almost immediately gets very angry when kino is initiated doesn’t like to be touched says she, because of what it implies but anger seems out of proportion to my kino
Generally texts after date and vents about kino but in next breath sets up next meeting..as you can see a date with her is more like a battle of wills than an enjoyable occasion and I keep saying I don’t need this aggravation. NEXT.
You see I am currently spinning 3.5 plates (HB 5, HB 6, HB 7 and ex wife rarely who is HB 9.5). Not boasting but hard to keep up with it all …sometimes I get total of 20 texts and 20 phone calls day…especially difficult when they all don’t know of each others existence but they are not stupid they have suspicions.. so it’s a constant juggling act but the question is gentleman are three HB 5-7’s in the hand worth one HB 9 in the bush
Back to the HB 9 she has been consistent with rejection of kino but here’s the thing she keeps the contact up .. I usually negatively reinforce this behaviour after our meetings by no contact whatsoever,, but within the week I will get an email …
(She could be AW but doesn’t really fit the profile as I don’t supplicate she has said on several occasions the dreaded LBF but I immediately stomp on it hard by saying I got enough friends and don’t need anymore…she retaliates with well lets have no contact but then hey presto goes back on her word … she qualifies herself a lot and then tells me about dates she has had but then immediately tells me that she has disqualified them for one reason or another… I don’t react to this at all as it is so transparent because well oneitis I just haven’t got… Anyway I feel like saying I have enough on my hands already baby I am doing you a favour by fitting you in but I don’t of course !!

Anyway just wondered what advice the forum might have
My gut feeling is that she is a big fish and I have let her slip thru the sexual net somehow but hey that’s life,, I should have nexted her a long time ago but cant quite bring myself to let her go, nevertheless its been a good learning experience and to all the Pua out there remember you learn a lot more from your losses than your wins. I think whats holding her in is the emotion generated during our meetings .. Chicks love emotion even if it’s negative so my advice for what it is worth .. Make your intentions plain from the start if I had been AFC from the start she would have walked long ago.. I think she wants to walk but I think the emotional addiction is holding her in there..so there is this push pull going on in her mind .. remember chicks love sex they just don’t want to admit it
But it’s tenuous and at the end of the day I don’t think she is going to change she has been too consistent with her rejection of kino .. and obviously of me
But rejection is something that happens to us all I’m staying in the game and I played the fish ias best as I could I think ???? any way let me know what you think .. BTW I am meeting her this saturday I know shoot me in the head!!! .. but maybe this time I will win lotto

 

[MacAvoy]

How many dates have you had with the hb9? Have you slept with her? To me it sounds like your in the friends zone.

 

[godblessamerica]

Have had at least 12 dates with her ..she lives iin a nearby city. havent slept with her but recently i needed to attend a sport event in her city and asked to stay at her apartment she agreed and then changed her mind at last moment as she said she didnt know me ( euphimism ..for didnt trust me ). Definitely avoided the friend zone by not supplicating or listening to her problems. Also I dont buy her anything oir assist her in any way. Shes a tough nut to crack and i havent found the key to unlock her ...
As i said before I shoudl have nexted her a long time ago but the tantalising thing is she doesnt have a BF at present ( pretty damn sure about this as I have dropped into apratment on random occasions ). I think she is at a stage in life where a relationship is just not a priority and imtimacy is not high on her agemda .. Very individualistic .. goes off on hioilday or skiing by herself! not a game player have never caught her out in a lie ..fairly high morals no drugs no alcohol
Shes a DJ's worst enemy the perfect woman

 

[MacAvoy]

If you haven't fvcked her after 12 dates, YOUR FIRMLY PLANTED IN THE FRIENDZONE. End of discussion, your just deluding yourself otherwise.

How many other women have you slept with since you started dating her?

 

[Warrior74]

friendzone. that's why she over reacts. your her male friend, your not suppose to hit on her! WTF!!!!! lol. Seriously though...even though you say you stomped on the friendzone, you are still there listening to her crap. you sir are an orbiter. next, or use a pivot. But in your case...I think next is the best step.

 

[godblessamerica]

In answer to Macavoy as I said in my long post I am currently spinning 3.5 plates so I got more than enough action already. I do agree that she probably has probably put me in her friend zone .. But as i said before i have made it abundantly clear to her about my intentions and I dont supplicate to her in any way. I always break off contact after rejection of kino but she always re-establishes contact. I really dont know what she gains from our relationship cos she senses my boredom with it . My point is the only strategy seems to be nexting her and concentrating on my plates ..i guess im in mourning for the big fish that slipped past me. I am not looking for magic solution cos there is none jsut letting the PUA out there know that you win some and you lose some but just move on

 

[MacAvoy]

Theres something about a rule that if you don't fvck a women within the first 7 hours of knowing her, chances are you never will. This works perfectly with the 3 date rule as well. Its well documented, I just don't have them bookmarked.

I guarantee you'll never sleep with this women. You can continue to chase your pipe dream though if you want, its your life.

 

[godblessamerica]

warrior upu are correct i am an orbiter amd I agree nexting is the only solution however i am not aware of pivoting what is that ?

 

[DonGorgon]

Women know how to make us f them ... the more they want us the easier and clearer they make it.

 

[godblessamerica]

Well mcavoy you are not entirely correct.I think 7 Hrs is bull**** really . one of my plates i didnt get any action for a year but finally I nailed her I am a pateint dude. Sometimes you have to wait for the right opportunity and women are very cautious out there. There are no hard and fast rules and each situation is different. But you are proably correct i aint gonna see the inside of her bedroom

 

[DonGorgon]

Well mcavoy you are not entirely correct.I think 7 Hrs is bull**** really . one of my plates i didnt get any action for a year but finally I nailed her I am a pateint dude. Sometimes you have to wait for the right opportunity and women are very cautious out there. There are no hard and fast rules and each situation is different. But you are proably correct i aint gonna see the inside of her bedroom

Nah women f who they wanna f when they wanna f them and they have a priority list too. If you waited a year I would assume that many many dudes had a turn before you and did not wait a year

 

[MacAvoy]

Godbless, I never said you will never fvck her if you past the 7 hour mark, I said CHANCES are that you will never fvck her.

If your are willing to spend a year of your time chasing pvssy, then by all means go ahead my friend.

 

[Luveno]

You waited too long.

Trust me, if a girl is interested in you, she will let you paw her up and insist that you keep doing it.

The fact that this girl is complaining about you touching her is a prime indicator of disinterest.


If she is continuously paying every time you go out, arrange your dates to be earlier in the night so that you can get a nice dinner, or get some drinks, before you head out to town with your friends. This will only work once or twice before she gets smart to it.

 

[godblessamerica]

some women dongorgon.. cmon guys you all speak in generalisations . there are 3 billion women out there and 3 billoin different solutions. One strategy doesnt necessarily fit all situations .. I am firmly in control of the HB 5-7 zone but still an amateur in the HB 9 zone theres still lots to learn

 

[MacAvoy]

I am firmly in control of the HB 5-7 zone but still an amateur in the HB 9 zone theres still lots to learn

There is your mistake, your treatng the 9's different that the 5's or 7's. Women are women, attraction is attraction. Its that simple.

Now your just rationalizing why you haven't nailed her yet, so you can keep chasing when deep down, you already know your in the friend zone.

Go out and find a new HB9. Like you said, there are 3 billion women on the planet, why are you treating her like she's the only HB9?

 

[godblessamerica]

Your missing the point luveno this girl doesnt like anybody touching her its just the way she is. Some girls are ice queens they take a while to melt

 

[godblessamerica]

Well it was worth it hanging around for a year Macavoy I mean are you spininng three plates right now

 

[Luveno]

Your missing the point luveno this girl doesnt like anybody touching her its just the way she is. Some girls are ice queens they take a while to melt

You're wrong.

If she's been vehemently opposing your advances for 12 dates, that means she does not want you touching her ever.

 

[godblessamerica]

Good point macavoy I have moved on really its just she was real fine !! it woudl have been good to nail it . but you guys are lall correct unless attraction is there it aint gonna happen

 

[godblessamerica]

I reluctantly agree Luveno but I have to admit that she wasnt always consistently cold on every date she did allow kino on some of them but proabably didnt like it but then why ddi she bother with the 12 dates most of which were initiated by her and paid by her.. its not entirely black and white as you guys make out but not as gray as I woudl liek it to be