RATIONALE MALE ..PLAYERS HANDBOOK

[JACK8S2]

What do you think of Rollo Tomassi's book "The Rational Male - The Player's Handbook"? Is it a good choice for a beginner in the game?

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

The guy is a moderator from SoSuave, why are we pretending like his insights are even his own? He just took what was going on here, removed all the stupidity running amok on the team and created a successful business out of it.

 

[BaronOfHair]

What do you think of Rollo Tomassi's book "The Rational Male - The Player's Handbook"? Is it a good choice for a beginner in the game?

With great respect to Rollo(Who seems like a decent, well-meaning guy), Red Pill Theology is eerily similar to what happened between

Protofeminism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

And

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism -All waves beyond.


There's little evidence demonstrating that Rollo and his imitators slathering what was once discussed in Plain Language

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/proof-that-men-are-the-problem.282068/page-2 Skip down my second post on this page

With a molasses thick coating of jargon and barely-baked ideas has been helpful. If anything, all that babbling about Hypergamy and Gynocentrism has left many men more discombobulated than women who've spent a few thousand hours filling their noggins with Intersectionalist Theory, and unable to go five minutes without rambling about Male Privilege and The Patriarchy

It's thus advisable to apply the same rigor and skepticism one applies to Wokeness to everything emitted from the mouths of those who identify as Red Pill/Red Pill adjacent. And to go to become well-versed in everything written on this subject, loooooooooooong before The Manosphere was even a fleeting daydream

 

[SW15]

I have read the book. It's a good book. I perceived like I got more value out of the original "Rational Male" book. On here, I'm far more likely to quote the Iron Rules of Tomassi from the original book.

The major limitation of The Players Handbook is that Rollo Tomassi himself has been married since 1996. He hasn't been much of an approacher in recent years.

I think Tomassi has some good field observational skills from when he worked in the alcohol industry and from his connections in the Manosphere/red pill space.

 

[BaronOfHair]

...Rollo Tomassi himself has been married since 1996. He hasn't been much of an approacher in recent years.

"Recent" in this case having been redefined to mean: "He hasn't been dating or the like for over 20 years"

 

[BaronOfHair]

Have you actually read The Red Pill or are you another one of those who hates things they refuse to understand?

It's OK to not blindly go along with every encyclical issued by Tommasi and all his fellow (Self-described)Red Pillers. You won't go straight to hell for daring to be skeptical and ask questions, I promise

 

[SW15]

It's OK to not blindly go along with every encyclical issued by Tommasi and all his fellow (Self-described)Red Pillers.

The most common critique of Tomassi is the long marriage. While it's good for him that he's been married nearly 28 years, it does limit his direct experience.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The most common critique of Tomassi is the long marriage. While it's good for him that he's been married nearly 28 years, it does limit his direct experience.

The Red Pill is similar to Freudian psychoanalysis and psychodyamic therapy. High on theory, while low on applicability

 

[Drmuscular]

The most common critique of Tomassi is the long marriage. While it's good for him that he's been married nearly 28 years, it does limit his direct experience.

Doesn't that validate a lot of what his says in his books? he has been able to maintain that relationship BECAUSE he knows the game.

 

[BaronOfHair]

he has been able to maintain that relationship BECAUSE he knows the game.

That's one possibility. Also possible:

-Like many folks who've been married for decades, RT and the missus have "settled", despite their union having been devoid of passion for a looooooooong f-cking time. The "maintaining" of the marriage is thus attributable to complacency and apathy, rather than Tommasi's mastery of any game or any Alpha-ness he may or may not possess

-Their union has been an open one/semi-monogamous from the get-go, thus it's more of a facade than what he presents to the public. "Maintenance" of a marriage isn't as tough, when it operates without the usual constraints which most folks's do

-RT isn't entirely hetero

The list of alternate explanations, based upon the "evidence" we have(What Rollo himself tells us about his personal life. How reliable is anyone's self-reporting?)thus far could go on. This is the case with most of what we encounter on The Manosphere...

Lots of fellas marketing themselves as badases and Alphas who's every utterance is the inerrant word of God, and too many guys blindly buying into it all, while rarely asking questions, much less investigating this stuff for themselves

 

[oOh Nasty]

The guy is a moderator from SoSuave, why are we pretending like his insights are even his own? He just took what was going on here, removed all the stupidity running amok on the team and created a successful business out of it.

Now i'm over here wondering which current red pill YouTubers are secretly sosuavers.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Now i'm over here wondering which current red pill YouTubers are secretly sosuavers.

NONE of this "Red Pill Knowledge" is anything new. In the not too distant past, we were discussing these things like regular human beings, instead of trying to sound like opaque, self-important academics. Note the dates on which all of the following were written or recorded

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...sincere/bcbaa1f8-db21-4355-a222-95bee93c5d1b/

SUNDAY OBSERVER; Is the Wimp Here to Stay? (Published 1984)

www.nytimes.com

A 'Real Man' Takes Aim at '80s Dating

In 1982, Bruce Feirstein's "Real Men Don't Eat Quiche" satirically divided the masculine gender into two basic camps: guys who start the day with such foods as flapjacks and bacon ("or--if possible--roofing nails") and those sensitive souls who prefer eggs Benedict, yogurt, quiche or any other…

www.latimes.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1992/11/10/the-sexes/21bb965f-9789-4f31-afb4-faaab7b33773/

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10183


https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-06-30-9102270767-story.html

https://reason.com/1994/07/01/man-troubles/


https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=20020509&slug=niceguy09

The Man's No-Nonsense Guide To Women: How To Succeed In…

This book is a new, no nonsense approach to help men fi…

www.goodreads.com

Women want men who are capable of leading

From a male reader: One of the problems I've had in my past serious relationships is my inability to lead. I'm talking about true leading, not dominating or controlling. I believe that many of us wh…

www.gainesville.com

https://uk.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-signs-youre-too-good-for-her.html https://www.askmen.com/dating/dating_advice_60/80b_dating_tips.html https://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-signs-shell-be-a-bad-mother.html https://au.askmen.com/top_10/dating/things-women-do-to-emasculate-men_3.html

And this is all just for starters

 

[TB24]

What do you think of Rollo Tomassi's book "The Rational Male - The Player's Handbook"? Is it a good choice for a beginner in the game?

It's nice to read, but if you aren't familiar with his concepts or RP in general, I'd recommend starting with his first Rational Male book.

 

[SW15]

The most common critique of Tomassi is the long marriage. While it's good for him that he's been married nearly 28 years, it does limit his direct experience.

Doesn't that validate a lot of what his says in his books? he has been able to maintain that relationship BECAUSE he knows the game.

It might validate it. It's worth a conversation. His knowledge of red pill principles has probably helped him retain that relationship. Without his knowledge of red pill, it's more likely that he would have been some beta in a marriage with a diminishing volume that ended after 10-15 years. If he's gone 25+ years with a better than average quality marriage, then that's a good indicator for him. @Barrister made a point a long time ago that relationship longevity should not be considered an indicator of relationship quality.

 

[Gamisch]

The most common critique of Tomassi is the long marriage. While it's good for him that he's been married nearly 28 years, it does limit his direct experience.

Yes and no.

D'amato (Tyson's coach) was as fragile as a man could be. Yet he created a monster..probably the most iconic boxer of all time. So a great coach doesn't necessarily has to be a great player..

Having said that; if a man is clueless anything will give him a step up. A decent carpenter from Bangladesh won't tell you anything different than a carpenter from New York. Because the tools and the material will be roughly equal. But..

Just like carpentery, GAME is an experience thing. Only through trail and error one will find what works.

The first thing OP needs is a nutsack refill. Find your balls and use them accordingly.

 

[BoostedArrow]

Just bc he's married doesn't mean he doesn't engage/socialize with women. He worked in the alc industry where he had to deal with a lot of (drunk) women. Now that he's being friends with Michael Sartain he also interacts with a lot of models at his bikini competition or whatever. Also the fact that women like Jedediah Biela or Torshaa are quite fond of him, should be proof that he knows how to 'handle' women and can productive advice.

According to him his bedroom is still 'alive' to this day. Well makes sense given the fact he goes off with Sartain to model-competitions.

For OP: I read RM5 and the book of pook last autumn while attending dance classes. They were nice textbooks which I could apply right away. I think you definitively won't go wrong with either of them.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I hate your side because it's not my side.

There's no hate and no sides here. We're just discussing ideas and their accuracy/lack thereof

 

[BaronOfHair]

If we're discussing, why aren't you answering questions?

Believe I've written elsewhere on this forum that I've read The Rational Male, and find some of Tomassi's assertions to be no less irrational and juvenile than much of what we encounter in Intersectionalist Theory

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I started attending this forum 12 years ago with my previous profile (same avatar diff name) and I would have never imagine that the red pill and certain individual connected to this field would get so much attention and influence online.

 

[BoostedArrow]

I started attending this forum 12 years ago with my previous profile (same avatar diff name) and I would have never imagine that the red pill and certain individual connected to this field would get so much attention and influence online.

Most of it thanks to individuals like Andrew Tate and Fresh n Fit. unfortunately...