"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Rate the HB I failed miserably with.

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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She's a 7-8 on the face... skinny, no boobs or ass from the pic...

So she's like a 6.. at best.. don't worry about it
 

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she's not ugly at all. 6.5 maybe a 7 depending on what she is wearing and the rest of her body. i could see a situtation where she was really down to earth and you would rate her higher
lol dude you look way too familiar
 

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She's not glamour model material, but she looks like one of those sweet girls that bring out the inner "nice guy" and AFC in most of us.

With the more obvious, busty, slvtty types, it's easy to treat them like sex objects and stay on top of our game, but it just doesn't feel right with girls like this and it's been a failing point for me many many times.
 

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Who's the dweeby guy?

And I'd approach/make her a FB.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Jariel said:
She's not glamour model material, but she looks like one of those sweet girls that bring out the inner "nice guy" and AFC in most of us.

With the more obvious, busty, slvtty types, it's easy to treat them like sex objects and stay on top of our game, but it just doesn't feel right with girls like this and it's been a failing point for me many many times.
My thoughts exactly. Regardless of what they look like - you can't be too too sweet. Some of them also play the role of a nice girl. Finding a middle ground is best. It also depends on the kind of person they are, which you can't find out for a while. Not assuming or trusting too soon is the best route to take. Someone who looks good can still be bad; don't be fooled by initial appearances. Treat them as you would anyone else until you know them well. If they seem decent - there's no reason to not be decent back. Just don't go overboard into nice guy territory. That works for no one, and simply isn't attractive. All girls like a challenge, mystery, and things like that.

But you guys do look like a cute couple. Not sure what happened. Any details?
 

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The guy in the picture is the guy she actually married. Now, I really don't think looks played a role at all in her choosing him over me. I just made some really wrong moves. (it was a bad time in my life as well)

Any tips to recover? It seems I am narrow-minded in my choice of girls, but maybe this is just something I need to unlearn.
 

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floydb25 said:
Someone who looks good can still be bad; don't be fooled by initial appearances.
Yes, believe it or not, she has slept with a lot of guys (as I later found out). If I were to guess, it's 20-30+. Lots of one night stands. (I got access to her email one day...) That really shocked the hell out of me (and led to me becoming majorly insecure).
 

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BTW, the guy who married her is totally in the dark about her slutty history.
 

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easun said:
Yes, believe it or not, she has slept with a lot of guys (as I later found out). If I were to guess, it's 20-30+. Lots of one night stands. (I got access to her email one day...) That really shocked the hell out of me (and led to me becoming majorly insecure).
It's not suprising. I know girls like this, and have experienced them in our own relationships as well. You absolutely cannot assume anything, or trust anyone, or be fooled by how they want to be perceived. Most everyone plays the good girl role. Guys as well. You have to keep your guard up and not give anyone the benefit of the doubt. Don't be fooled by appearances, behaviors, or words (ie, claims, lies, and excuses). Most people aren't as sweet and innocent as they WANT you to believe, and will try to put themselves in the best light possible. But, if you pay close attention - you can still see the cracks, and tell when something is amiss.

Don't trust or give your heart out too easily. Keep a close eye out at all times, and don't take anyone's side, or come to their defense (in the sense of making up excuses for them, telling yourself this can't be, etc). Everyone is capable of doing wrong, and being bad. Or even things like being selfish. They might try to mask it, and claim to be sweet and innocent, but the facts never lie. Avoiding the facts, assuming too much, and believing what everyone tells you is what gets a lot of people in trouble.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Yeah, id say 7. Personality could knock it down 1 point or raise it 0.5. I'd definitely spin her though.

BTW, the guy who married her is totally in the dark about her slutty history.
That is so common its actually disgusting. I one time asked a girl I went nuclear with if her boyfriend liked the taste of different c0cks every night. I dodged a pretty hard slap.
 

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Dude, she's your typical girl; hooked up with a bunch of bad boys, then settled down with some dweeb she knows won't stray away.

Nothing wrong with that; it's women's nature, it's the MEN who have all the issues about it.
 

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Vice said:
Dude, she's your typical girl; hooked up with a bunch of bad boys, then settled down with some dweeb she knows won't stray away.

Nothing wrong with that; it's women's nature, it's the MEN who have all the issues about it.
True, but they still try to save face about it. That's where men get screwed up sometimes. Who they claim to be, and want you to believe they are isn't who they really are. They're basically lying. I can see bitterness stemming from that. But this is just one of life's lessons that we learn the hard way by dealing with people over time. We all learn not to trust so easily, aren't fooled anymore, etc.

What sucks is when someone who complains about these things ends up being the same way. Those ones aggrivate me the most. But they're a wolf in sheep's clothing. Those are the ones you REALLY have to watch for, because they play the helpless victim on top of it. Then woof, side-swiped. You never saw it coming, because they had you fooled so well. You're left wondering, "How could someone who complains so much do the exact same things to me?" - while STILL playing the innocent nice girl / helpless victim role. :mad:
 

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Solid 7. Sweet take home to mom type of girl. Nice skin. For sure very doable. Her and the guy look way to young to have gotten married.

You blew it!!!!

Haha j/k plenty of girls out there.
 

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Yea I'd say a 7.

Not my type but still she got some cuteness going for her no doubt.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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She has a cute face, nice smile and a slender little body. The girl-next-door look. I actually prefer girls like that. To me, big boobs or huge ass isn't really a necessity. There's nothing hotter than taking a classy looking innocent girl and banging her like a naughty little French maid. It's more rewarding to bring out that type of inner slvt in a chick than to bone one that already looks the part. Obviously that's of little consolation to you since things didn't work out, lol.

Men and women love sex. The difference is women are deathly afraid of being labeled slvts. Even the HB 9s in the clubs on the weekends - they don't want to jeopardize their reputation in front of their friends and take off with some guy for a shag.

The same reason most wouldn't believe that girl slept with as many guys as she did. Women are clever. Don't underestimate them. They're a lot more low key than guys. You won't see them bragging about who they slept with, you won't catch them with a bunch of different guys. But you'll hear the stories.

Notice in most Facebook pictures of hot girls, they either post pictures of themselves, or with a big group of their female entourage? You'll rarely see them in pictures with a bunch of random hot guys. Why? Because people will think they're a slvt and other people's perception will affect their reasoning and judgement. You'll start seeing pictures of the same guy popping up when she's in a relationship.

A woman's number one priority is to protect her reputation. Once I figured this out, things started falling in place.
 

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Evan: AGREED. I swear, you just took the words out of my mind. 100%.
 

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Good stuff Evan.

Real talk, they can't get out of that high school popularity phase where reputation is everything.
 

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Apparently a lot of other guys thought the same. Oh well, whatever. No use beating myself up over it.

So do you get more sex out of a girl like this in a relationship or in the one-night-stand zone? Why do I ask? Because when we first met, she said some things that I didn't initially pick up on. But I later realized (after reading through her emails...) that she was basically giving me code for me no-strings sex. I really wonder how different things would have been if I had taken that option.
 

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easun said:
Yes, believe it or not, she has slept with a lot of guys (as I later found out). If I were to guess, it's 20-30+. Lots of one night stands. (I got access to her email one day...) That really shocked the hell out of me (and led to me becoming majorly insecure).
So why the fvck are you crying over the loss of a sl*t? do you really want to be with someone like this for the rest of your life
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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