quick question to those who are experienced.

[Thebestthereeveris]

Have you guys ever gotten reallly good with girls im talking same day approach lay and then lose that ability? Have you guys ever felt super confident and successful with women to turning into a huge loser with girls? just curious.

 

[BPH]

I've had dry spells where plates fell off and I had to spend some time looking for/meeting new ones.

But I've never suddenly been sh** at talking to girls again.

 

[Thebestthereeveris]

I've had dry spells where plates fell off and I had to spend some time looking for/meeting new ones.

But I've never suddenly been sh** at talking to girls again.

So no loss in confidence? or feeling like you were a chode again?

 

[SW15]

That's an unlikely scenario.

Let's remember that attraction and seduction is based on looks, money, status, and personality.

Here's what can happen:

Looks: If looks go downhill, then a man could run into seduction problems. Weight gain and losing muscularity would be a common cause of this. Disability and disfigurement could cause issues as well.

Money: Losing money on bad investments and losing a job are ways to have money issues. Unemployment is a common way for a man who is a decent seducer to lose the ability to seduce women. Despite the fact that Roosh wrote the best guide to getting laid while unemployed (see below), it is actually quite difficult for most men to get laid while unemployed. Unemployed men in extended relationships are also commonly dumped by girlfriends or wives during unemployment.

Getting Laid While Unemployed And Living In Your Dad’s Basement

Older men (35+) are judged more on money both by single women near their own age and by women 10+ years younger.

Status: Losing status through a lack of employment or taking a subpar quality job after a layoff can result in status loss.

Personality: This is the least likely to change but could be problematic if a trauma like weight gain, disfigurement, or extended unemployment happens. Having charisma is something that is less likely to change.

 

[BPH]

So no loss in confidence? or feeling like you were a chode again?

I've gotten frustrated, but never to the point where I felt bad about myself.

Being annoyed by girls who were turned off by the age gap is probably the closest I've gotten.

 

[SW15]

I've had dry spells where plates fell off and I had to spend some time looking for/meeting new ones.

That's common for a lot of men in the seduction game, especially Thrill of the Hunt guys who are more focused on same night sex, first date sex, or shorter term sexual arrangements (less than 6 months typically).

I've never suddenly been sh** at talking to girls again.

As mentioned earlier, charisma rarely goes away.

Being annoyed by girls who were turned off by the age gap is probably the closest I've gotten.

How concerned are you about age gap stuff going forward? It can be tough for men to date under 25s once they hit their mid 30s.

 

[BPH]

How concerned are you about age gap stuff going forward? It can be tough for men to date under 25s once they hit their mid 30s.

I don't really mind if they don't. As long as it's legal, who cares? Who am I to deny a young, hot, horny college girl because I feel I'm too old for her? That would just be selfish.

I'm overselling it, but yeah, I don't mind. I met a girl on this vacation on the beach who was 19. Quite hot, gave "good girl" vibes, and the only reason we didn't hang out was because she wasn't feeling well the last 2 days I was there. She goes to Towson, thinks I'm really attractive, and told me that she would love to hang out and grab a drink when she turns 21, or before that if I feel like making the drive.

It's just more annoying trying to find girls who are down with that. My problem is I'm approaching in a college bar where most people assume you A. go to that college and B. are still in college.

 

[Thebestthereeveris]

That's an unlikely scenario.

Let's remember that attraction and seduction is based on looks, money, status, and personality.

Here's what can happen:

Looks: If looks go downhill, then a man could run into seduction problems. Weight gain and losing muscularity would be a common cause of this. Disability and disfigurement could cause issues as well.

Money: Losing money on bad investments and losing a job are ways to have money issues. Unemployment is a common way for a man who is a decent seducer to lose the ability to seduce women. Despite the fact that Roosh wrote the best guide to getting laid while unemployed (see below), it is actually quite difficult for most men to get laid while unemployed. Unemployed men in extended relationships are also commonly dumped by girlfriends or wives during unemployment.

Getting Laid While Unemployed And Living In Your Dad’s Basement

Older men (35+) are judged more on money both by single women near their own age and by women 10+ years younger.

Status: Losing status through a lack of employment or taking a subpar quality job after a layoff can result in status loss.

Personality: This is the least likely to change but could be problematic if a trauma like weight gain, disfigurement, or extended unemployment happens. Having charisma is something that is less likely to change.

None of those things have to do with confidence lol

 

[Plinco]

"loser" is a mindset more than anything else. There's millionaire mindsets, billionaire mindsets, loser mindsets, and winner mindsets, ect.

 

[Isildur1]

doing daygame you get peaks and troughs - when i started out in 2018 i would go through dry spells of difficult dates , flakes and LMR at my place- but there were also some great same day lay success stories mixed in - every girl is different and especially approaching in London you get a huge mix of races with varying liberal and conservative ideological women so it was quite confusing to navigate dates.

The key to daygame is to not get too complacent and arrogant during the successes
and to not get too frustrated during the flakes, the bad dates and the lmr.

if you control your mentality and have decent smv you will be a raging success. But it's very easy to fall into the trap of the negatives and the dry streaks - i was on hot form in 2020 till covid hit and i lost three women that i had built a good connection with from daygame - it took nearly 18months to regain my form from that . so the success comes and goes .

of course seduction is filled with rejection all the time and everyone goes through it - you need that mental resilience whether youre a male 1 or a male 10 - i've daygamed with male models who gave up after 8 rejections and called it quits entirely. Mentality really is vital .

 

[Isildur1]

That's common for a lot of men in the seduction game, especially Thrill of the Hunt guys who are more focused on same night sex, first date sex, or shorter term sexual arrangements (less than 6 months typically).



As mentioned earlier, charisma rarely goes away.



How concerned are you about age gap stuff going forward? It can be tough for men to date under 25s once they hit their mid 30s.

i winged with a lot of men and the younger men - aged 17-24 usually had far more blow outs and rejections than the 24-35s . of course my personal experience isn't fact but when i was 27 doing daygame i still had a couple of women cut me off because they saw me as too young (they were in their early 30s when i approached them)

from watching my wings the younger ones 17-24 struggled the most to hook sets with intrigue , the lack of life experience and maturity was often what cost them more than anything . I saw the bulk of successes come from my wings aged 25-35 .

 

[SW15]

None of those things have to do with confidence lol

Incorrect. Being unemployed, broke, and facing potential homelessness can ruin a man's confidence.

 

[BadBoy89]

If a man has been has been with a hot women before, not just one, he wouldn’t turn unless his finances get ruined, or he loses an attractive trait such as his hair or his body.

When a man gets older, the relationship with women gets more transactional, so ideally he would have to make more money.

 

[Thebestthereeveris]

Incorrect. Being unemployed, broke, and facing potential homelessness can ruin a man's confidence.

Cant argue with that

 

[CornbreadFed]

If I were to leave Houston and be put in some Bunny Bread friendly city/town then I would be screwed, but those are uncontrollables. However, I would still have the general knowledge and experience.

 

[ValiantMale]

Yes, but I also turned it back around in a major way.

For me what really messed me up was difficult experiences with ****ty people and risky behavior that messed up my confidence/self esteem/personal power. That and succumbing to food and pornography and digital stimulation as a means to cope with the bad ****.

Now i'm super sexually confident and realized that sexual confidence is the gateway to major ***** and sexual experiences. I can easily say sex is my favorite hobby.

 

[Glassguy]

I voted no.
I hope that helps.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

You won't necessarily go from super mack to loser chode, but your social skills will atrophy if you don't use them consistently.

But you can gain them back just as easily.

This is the downside of getting into a relationship. Your game tends to suffer.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Women are as changing as the tides. You'll get into a streak of lays, then another week or even a month, you might get no women at all. That's life.

If you want consistent pvssy, get a girlfriend. That's why we advocate spinning plates around here.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Have you guys ever gotten reallly good with girls im talking same day approach lay and then lose that ability? Have you guys ever felt super confident and successful with women to turning into a huge loser with girls? just curious.

Sorry. I had no choice.