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Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Quick Date Question - Time Sensitive

CaConfused

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I go out with a girl Tues night. We make out a lot. GREAT night.

We talk about running, and so I tell her we should run some trails at my place on Saturday. She's totally into it.

She texts me good night Tues night.

I text her last night with something funny. She responds an hour later that she's just going out for a run. Then I say "You better, so you can keep up with me. Meet at my place Saturday 11:30?"

It shows read receipt last night at 7p. No response.

What do I do? Did I screw up?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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NewAndImproved

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LOL, my fault I had a response up there but I realized I misread what you wrote.

Curious about that "something funny" that you texted her and what her reply was. Was it strictly a business-like text "I'm going running" or was she still flirty?

I like your reply but probably wouldn't have gone for the meetup right there. Depending on how she responded to "you better so you can keep up with me..." then I'd go for it.
 

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NewAndImproved said:
LOL, my fault I had a response up there but I realized I misread what you wrote.

Curious about that "something funny" that you texted her and what her reply was. Was it strictly a business-like text "I'm going running" or was she still flirty?

I like your reply but probably wouldn't have gone for the meetup right there. Depending on how she responded to "you better so you can keep up with me..." then I'd go for it.
I figured it was in the bag since we already agreed on running on Saturday

She replied to my initial funny text with a smiley and a laugh. It was still flirty. Then I went for the confirmation (with the you better..")

Thanks. This sucks because everything was going very very well until this weird point. And the prior agreed date was Sat early afternoon so I feel pressure to figure this out...
 

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You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Well, since today is Friday, I would shoot her a quick text like "Hey you... still in a running mood?" Then wait for her to respond. Period. If she never responds back, you never speak to her again.

Women are sometimes in an awkward position where they like you, but have other things going on and other guys going for them all at the same time. They're really not sure how to handle it. So make it easy for the both of you... Shoot her that text and let her make her decision. No response back to you would be a very clear decision!!!

Good luck my friend!
 

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I sent the unanswered text at 7:34. It has a read reciept. Should I send another one so soon?
 

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CaConfused said:
I sent the unanswered text at 7:34. It has a read reciept. Should I send another one so soon?
Maybe wait until this evening. I think that's a reasonable time-frame, and something any normal person would do. There's even a chance she may respond before that, but who knows. I don't think you've done anything to look foolish or desperate... You've handled this very well.
 

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CaConfused said:
I figured it was in the bag since we already agreed on running on Saturday

She replied to my initial funny text with a smiley and a laugh. It was still flirty. Then I went for the confirmation (with the you better..")

Thanks. This sucks because everything was going very very well until this weird point. And the prior agreed date was Sat early afternoon so I feel pressure to figure this out...
Who knows what's going on.

All I know is that if I make plans with a girl more than 5 days in advance, I don't have the expectation of her showing. Hell, if I make plans with a girl 1 hour in advance -- I still know she can flake!

Dudes can make plans months and even a year in advance and you're confident that it's going to happen. Not so much with women. At the time she appears to have been feeling you -- lots of make outs, talking about future plans together -- but that doesn't mean that now a few days later, she still feels the same way.

I'd go with what Gambler says. Play it cool and if you don't get a response, text this evening and leave it at that.
 

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I personally wouldn't send anymore texts until she responds. She read the last text, so another is pointless and makes u look needy. In fact, I would go NC until she reinitiates. She probably will reinitiate (she seems to have high IL otherwise) but if she doesn't than you can move on.

No matter what, go running on Sat with or without her.
 

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When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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All great insights. Interesting to see so many takes. I really appreciate this input.

I am leaning towards no contact. If I break down and text her, it will be around 6pm. Maybe she met someone new between Tuesday and now (Friday).

I guess whatever the outcome, I can live with it, since I didn't screw up and I seem to be learning a lot.
 

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We both are avid runners. Maybe it wasnt the best idea, but it came up really organically.
 

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Guys I just got struck with inspiration -- you guys made me think.. what would give her an 'out' from physical activity while offering up something cool

What if I sent another text

"If you're worried about embarassing me with your awesome running speed, lets just go for a nice hike and get dinner instead. (Funny, gives her a physical out.)

OR

"are we moving too fast, lol. lets slow it down with a hike and get dinner instead" (Word play, physical out)


What do you guys think?
 

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CaConfused said:
"are we moving too fast, lol. lets slow it down with a hike and get dinner instead" (Word play, physical out)
Hmmm...

I get what you're trying to do & like it.

However the problem with both is that it comes across like you're affected by her non-response (you are) and have been stewing over why she didn't respond (you have been!).

If you do send something like this wait until at least this evening. And make it more of your idea with a bit of ****y funny: "Something's come up in the AM. Don't want to run circles around you anyway. ; ) Let's slow it down and do an afternoon hike and drinks."
 

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Nice one. Like how you improved it! Why would you wait until evening? Would it seem more legit that something came up if I sent it sooner (next hour) than later (6pm..)? Because later would kinda seem like its obvious she isn't coming in the AM?

It's now 11:27 am. She read my text 7:30 last night. Seems obvious she ain't gonna go.


Hmmm - btw before our first meeting she sent this "Good morning. Just confirming I will see you tonight at 8? Hope you are having a good day :)"
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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11:30am is when I invited her out.

Well I said "1130a, my place Sat?" . I hope that was clear, AM.

She sent me two texts in a row prior to that ASK. That's what bewilders me. Now I'm thinking maybe she didn't see the A?" UGH
 

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dap said:
I personally wouldn't send anymore texts until she responds. She read the last text, so another is pointless and makes u look needy. In fact, I would go NC until she reinitiates. She probably will reinitiate (she seems to have high IL otherwise) but if she doesn't than you can move on.

No matter what, go running on Sat with or without her.

I agree with dap, this is what I would do. I am starting to agree more and more that texts should be at a minimum without any elaborate funny/witty/clever things going on. Let us know what happens.

Good luck.
 

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Why would you invite her to go running with you? She will either have to keep up, or more likely you will have to slow down. Plus you're doing a physical, non-competitive date that has no end result except...to be exhausted. I can see this kind of thing going well for people who are continuously seeing each other and have good rapport, but not for people just getting to know each other.

Instead try offering a hike. Or a walk in the park after some coffee. Rock climbing is even not half bad. Bike ride maybe.
THIS.

You made out with her, and now you want her to be outside with you, out of breath, and sweaty? Why don't you just invite her over to your place, so you can make her out of breath and sweaty in the bedroom instead ;)

Send NewAndImproved's text.
 

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If a girl's being disrespectful like that, I would just not contact her at all. If she doesn't give an explanation, I probably wouldn't bother continuing much unless she makes the attempt herself.

I think I'm just getting tired of dealing with low IL girls though.

For you specifically if you want to go out again, I would just wait and see if she says anything, specifically an apology. If she doesn't, ping her on Sunday or so, start a small conversation (as in, 2-3 texts) to gauge her interest, and then jump for a meet-up if you think the interest is there.
 

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Plutoman said:
If a girl's being disrespectful like that, I would just not contact her at all. If she doesn't give an explanation, I probably wouldn't bother continuing much unless she makes the attempt herself.

I think I'm just getting tired of dealing with low IL girls though.

For you specifically if you want to go out again, I would just wait and see if she says anything, specifically an apology. If she doesn't, ping her on Sunday or so, start a small conversation (as in, 2-3 texts) to gauge her interest, and then jump for a meet-up if you think the interest is there.
It was sharply divided on this board, but I texted this;

1:10p - me to her "Something came in AM. Don't want to run circles around you anyway. :) lets slow it down and do afternoon hike and sushi."

5:54 here to me "Hey sorry left my phone at my sister's house and just got it back. Sat afternoon is perfect!"

BOOYAH!
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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