Quick Advice Wanted

[Clockwerk50]

@BPH I'd hit up the bars man, lots of chicks have stuff going on with the holiday season and it's a time for them to be on wholesome mode anyway. May as well go where the available women are.

And I'd try Mill Ave in Tempe (ASU) over Old Town, since that's your usual pool and the girls are looser being in college.

You let him down. He needed you, the best guru in Arizona, to take him under your wing

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I focus on the senior lady because it shows me that you take whatever you can get

So, when I snagged the 19 yr old, what did that show you?

, and don't have standards.

If I find her attractive, she is my standard.

Apparently, you weren't miss lady's standard.

And you don't have standards because your method does not work on women who have standards, and by extension, options.

My method works and keeps me from wasting time, money, and resources...or getting flaked on.

Unlike you.

The OP is a prime example why indirect is the less superior method.

Red pill, MGTOW, high-value man BS aside, nobody's first choice is going to be a woman who's old enough to be their mom.

Hey, Chad...newsflash; some men actually like older women...and guess what, some older women actually like younger men.

A guy that just got flaked on, trying to tell people who they should be attracted to.

The irony.

That is why I ignore your advice, and why I generally suggest others to do the same - I do not want your results, so I do not adopt your method.

Whose advice should they follow? A guy who never gets flaked on, or a guy who just did?

 

[Divorced w 3]

What a disaster

 

[BPH]

@BPH I'd hit up the bars man, lots of chicks have stuff going on with the holiday season and it's a time for them to be on wholesome mode anyway. May as well go where the available women are.

And I'd try Mill Ave in Tempe (ASU) over Old Town, since that's your usual pool and the girls are looser being in college.

Any specific recommendations? Looks like that's only about 5 miles away from where I'm staying.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Any specific recommendations? Looks like that's only about 5 miles away from where I'm staying.

It's been a while since I've been down there but Mill Ave from University Ave north towards Rio Salado

 

[BeExcellent]

It's been a while since I've been down there but Mill Ave from University Ave north towards Rio Salado

Except that finals just finished & lots of students have gone home for the holidays. Mill is more ghetto when ASU not in session....

 

[sevbucmash]

A guy called a woman and asked her out. The guy was nervous, was scared; he was shy.

“So we’re set for tomorrow night?”

“Umm, yeah,” she replied.

Then, tomorrow night came. The guy agonized over the date the entire day. How should he act? What shall he wear? Did he have enough money? Would he be fun enough?”

But the poor guy realized he was wasting his time worrying for there was no date. He got stood up.

Obviously, there HAD to be a reason. Perhaps something awful happened. Perhaps her car didn’t start. Perhaps some incredible thing occurred in her life AT THAT TIME that kept apart the two star crossed lovers!

So he tried again. “Did we miscommunicate?”

“Oh, umm…Yeah.”

“You still want to go out?”

“Sure.”

“Let’s go out on this and this day. OK?”

“OK!”

That day comes. The guy gets stood up yet again.

But he rationalized it away. She did say she had things going on in her life. She did say that she wanted to go out with him. She did say that she wouldn’t mind spending time with him. Obviously, something had to have come up. After all, she SAID she wanted to go!

So the guy calls again and sets up another date. Likewise, he got stood up AGAIN.

“Argh!” he screams to himself. “It is my fault. For I should…

“Judge by actions, not by words.”

Pook then took the young man to a wall with a majestic painting on it. The painting showed a young man, much like the young man in person, standing before a feminine monster, a sphinx!

“What is that monster?” cried the young man.

“Why,” said the Pook, “it is All Women, Mother Nature herself! This nasty sphinx devours all hearts and lives of those who cannot answer her riddle. That man, in the picture, he figured out the riddle to Woman. Thus, he became known as Don Juan.”

“And the answer to the riddle?”

“Is that there is no riddle. Woman is a sphinx with no secret. It is only our minds that we assign her secrets, mysteries, pedestals, and goddess-like status.”

Pook noticed that the young man was confused so he elaborated. “Look at the above example! Look at how the lad got stood up over and over and, yet, over and over he rationalized the standing up! How often is it that a lad rationalizes ‘signals’ to his liking? How often is it that a lad offers gifts and treasures as sacrifices to her goddess-likeness for in his mind she is a goddess? How often is it that a lad’s overactive imagination converts her disrespect, her shallowness, her flaws, into love?”

“So we paint the image we want to see?”

“Exactly! Judge by her actions and not by her words. Judge by what she does than by what your mind wants to see. Our vanity will convert the image of every disinterested girl into secretly loving us (for women tell us what we want to hear). This is why we must judge by her actions and not by her words.”

 

[SmoothHendrixPS2]

Been a while since I gave some insight, but this thread got my fingers itching! As someone who can relate to both sides, it's important to know a few things... Mode one has nothing to do with texting. It has everything to do with verbal communication. As you become an experienced mode one player, you learn how powerful the tone of your voice is when being direct smooth and confident. That's the level that 99% of ppl don't understand or experience. I use mode one to get her P**** wet and let her know that I KNOW it's wet! Again this is the deeper levels of mode one that are acquired when you first break through the initial challenge (for most guys) of direct communication, which can be improved and practiced. There's a difference between blurting out "I wanna F*ck you" from 5 feet away and calmly caressing a females low back, and whispering in her ear something explicit with a bold frame. If a female orbits you and gives you choosing signals, to where you don't have to CHANGE HER MIND, she is already attracted to you which is considered Mode 0. My formula for success has been basic smooth witty banter and communication, and when the time is right I know I have mode one in my back pocket to escalate... but I am PATIENT with it... I might text with a girl indifferently for a week before I am mode one with her on a phone call or on the first meet, it doesn't really matter.

Seduction is changing a women's mind IE:
"We aren't F**king tn"... "I don't go to guys houses before a date"... "we have to use a condom" are all examples of **** tests or rules women give men but will easily break for the right guy.

@BPH got experience... he's a stud with high body count and i give him respect for always in the field and adapting and learning. You don't have to be a master to teach others. He is still learning just like we all are. Learning never stops. I think the reason she flaked was because you met up too soon and she knew you were a tourist. If you had continued non needy phone communication for another week or so and didn't do the 10pm date after she said she had to be up early, things may have gone different. @Divorced w 3 got a good personality and is outgoing, has a masculine essence which fits mode one style if he continues to learn. I recommend Ouuu Say it Again- Alan Roger Currie as it fits your willingness to be verbally seductive.

I felt inclined to comment because my whole game with women has been calibrated between mode one, mode 2, and Mode 0, throughout the last 4 years... I recommend a balance, figuring out what works for you, but @We_ArE_VeNOM is correct that it is only for a certain type of dude, doesn't have to be select, but a dude with backbone. The feminized western world has programmed men to hide their sexual desires and be ashamed or embarrassed of expressing them towards women... Pook said the Sexual guy gets the girl! Just gotta learn how and when to calibrate it.

 

[Divorced w 3]

For sure on the verbal. That’s why I tell guys, flip it to a phone call.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Better yet why not meet quickly in person for 15-20 minutes? If there's no click, politely excuse yourself and be on your way. If there IS a click, extend it

I mean it's 15-20 minutes out of your life, the same time you would have spent on phone talking into a device/video screen without the necessary benefit of their physical presence - their vibe, energy, essence which is the only way to determine genuine chemistry anyway.

I've made a new friend recently where I live and she inititally met her husband on a swipe app.

They video chatted and she said it was the most freakin awkward thing eve! Two strangers talking through a screen silently sizing each other up again without the benefit of their energy/vibe/essence -- physical presence.

The call ended quickly with zero connection and they didn't meet.

Well....

Two months later they ran into each other spontaneously at a coffee shop (it's a small town), they recognized each other from the app and began chatting casually without any pressure to "click." Like they did on that awkward video call. Ugh.

Well guess what? Sparks flew! They couldn't stop talking, touching, etc and they got married three months later!

Meet in person quickly! 15-20 minutes out of your busy life in a public venue. Same length of time as a phone/video call.

Strike while the iron is hot! No chance of overthinking your way out and/or being turned off by an awkward video chat.

$.02

 

[SmoothHendrixPS2]

having a basic convo on a phone call or FT to get a feel for ones personality seems pretty standard to me.

Going from limited texting to a meet up in person usually results in nothing more than a bite to eat with a stranger, if not a flake.

Every female on the planet who is a 6 or up has options hitting up her phone, you should feel lucky that she is giving you the time of day to have YOU on her screen in real time. Those who avoid this are avoiding vulnerability that will come back around in person.

Victory goes to the vulnerable.

I do what I gotta do to get the female comfortable enough to come to my place on the first meet! If she wants to ft I view it as another chance to show her im that dude, have social intelligence, and am someone she may break her rules with.

@Sega Genesis although this is a beautiful love story, it actually happened by chance and luck. The fact that they got married so soon shows that the dude doesn't have options, doesn't know the game, doesn't understand women, and obviously couldn't hold a phone convo, therefore making this not the best advice for men on this forum.

 

[Sega Genesis]

@SmoothHendrixPS2 to each his own. I don't do swipe apps, I prefer to meet spontaneously in person and I meet plenty of men (and women) wherever I go!

Ya just gotta be open to it and not closed off as so many women are from what I've been told by men.

Again physical energy/vibe/chemistry is everything at least to me and other women I know. There is no way I'm gonna connect with a stranger from a swipe app on a phone call. Not ruling it out ever ever but it's doubtful. I'm more likely to get turned off by the mere awkwardness of it.

Again just me everyone is different.

It just seems to me that prolonging the meet or talking on an electronic device results in one of both feeling awkward or afterwards overthinking to the point the meet never happens.

Hence all the flaking on swipe apps!

Again I'm not on the apps but if I were, I've done it before, I have no problem meeting quickly for a walk or coffee for 15 to sense the energy/vibe/chemistry.

I meet in a public place and exercise caution.

Again just me, I'm a spontaneous person, not everyone is I get that.

 

[Sega Genesis]

The fact that they got married so soon shows that the dude doesn't have options, doesn't know the game, doesn't understand women, and obviously couldn't hold a phone convo, therefore making this not the best advice for men on this forum.

Oh he did have options, he had been somewhat of a "player" prior to them clicking and connecting during their spontaneous meet at the coffee shop.

He used all the standard lines to pull her (that worked with other women) during their initial video call and she was utterly turned off. It felt contrived and awkward. I can relate cause I've felt the same at times.

In person, it all changed. There was no pressure to click/connect or attempt to pull her or impress her. And it opened the door for a REAL connection to occur and it did!

Yes they got married quickly, it felt right for both and they were ready. They've been married for nearly two years and still in honeymoon stage!

Some of this story may not be suitable for a seductive forum but some parts may be (i.e meet in person quickly, strike while the iron is HOT).

Anyway, welcome back to the forum! This place needs more posters like you and not saying to just flatter you.

It's just not the same as it used to be a few years ago.

 

[pipeman84]

I've made a new friend recently where I live and she inititally met her husband on a swipe app.

They video chatted and she said it was the most freakin awkward thing eve! Two strangers talking through a screen silently sizing each other up again without the benefit of their energy/vibe/essence -- physical presence.

The call ended quickly with zero connection and they didn't meet.

Well....

Two months later they ran into each other spontaneously at a coffee shop (it's a small town), they recognized each other from the app and began chatting casually without any pressure to "click." Like they did on that awkward video call. Ugh.

Well guess what? Sparks flew! They couldn't stop talking, touching, etc and they got married three months later!

@Sega Genesis although this is a beautiful love story, it actually happened by chance and luck. The fact that they got married so soon shows that the dude doesn't have options, doesn't know the game, doesn't understand women, and obviously couldn't hold a phone convo, therefore making this not the best advice for men on this forum.

^^^100% this
That's a weird story ... who in their right mind marries after knowing someone for 3 months? Sounds like he's a total loser and her being on a dating app can't be that far from it either.

 

[Sega Genesis]

@pipeman84 I agree three months is fast, but read my last. He was actually very successful with the ladies, she was just "it" for him after many years being single and "playing the field."

It happens that way sometimes even to successful "players." @BeExcellent can attest to that, she's written about it before as she knows many players who eventually fell for one woman - hard and fast! And married them.

Sounds like he's a total loser and her being on a dating app can't be that far from it either.

Are you saying people on dating apps are all losers? To me that's extreme and don't agree however I do think meeting spontaneously in person is the better way, just walk out the door and talk to people.

 

[pipeman84]

@pipeman84 I agree three months is fast, but read my last.

I did ... and that's just part of the weirdness of the story ... after feeling utterly turned off by a videocall 2 months prior, that she'd engage with him in a coffee shop. The guy sounds like he has no sense of shame and would f*ck anything that moves and she sounds needy as hell.

Are you saying people on dating apps are all losers?

I can't say all, because there are exceptions to anything, but I think it's well known that the quality of people on the apps (especially the 'regulars' on them) is quite low.

 

[Sega Genesis]

The guy sounds like he has no sense of shame and would f*ck anything that moves and she sounds needy as hell.

Well you're wrong, I know them you don't but won't debate you about it, you're entitled to your opinion.

Not sure where your opinion comes from, on its face, it seems somewhat closed-minded and rather extreme especially since you don't them.

But whatever, I don't know your story you have your reasons... carry on.

Merry Christmas!

 

[pipeman84]

A guy gets rejected by a woman on a dating app videocall and after 2 months he approaches her in a coffee shop? Reeks of no options, no self respect and lack of shame. Otherwise he wouldn't have acknowledged her. How is that even debatable?

The woman engages with him, gets all touchy feely and they marry in 3 months? Sounds like the stereotypical woman on a dating app, full of issues and baggage.

In the end it's just an example of like attracts like, in this instance 2 weirdos attracted each other. Don't paint it as some romantic story we should admire or find inspiring.

 

[sevbucmash]

Maybe she found out he had a cement factory when she met him in person!

 

[Sega Genesis]

guy gets rejected by a woman on a dating app videocall and after 2 months he approaches her in a coffee shop? Reeks of no options, no self respect and lack of shame. Otherwise he wouldn't have acknowledged her. How is that even debatable?

@pipeman84 you don't have the facts right or making assumptions.

She did not reject him per se, they simply didn't click over video chat, as I said it was awkward talking to a stranger on an electronic device. I can relate to this as I have experienced same the couple of times I've done it.

At the coffee shop they recognized each other, and began chatting naturally and spontaneously. Not sure who approached who, or IF either of them actually formally approached. It doesn't matter.

My point was and IS, phone and video calls can be awkward and feel pressured between two strangers from a dating/swipe app. Not for all obviously but many.

Just meet in person! Feel their physical vibe/energy/essence, it's the only way to determine true chemistry anyway and develop a real connection IMHO (and experience).

My friend's story illustrates this perfectly. They didn't click/connect on a video call but in person they did.