Question: Why Not Just Screw Escorts?

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Okay, I'm already apart of a lot of business clubs, political clubs, fitness clubs, etc. RIGHT NOW. I will expand that even further then.

I'm not being stubborn here and not trying to do truthful analysis, what I'm saying is that the things I'm "supposed to do" I have already done:

- From the fixing myself part

- To the social AND business circle part

The women I'm getting aren't "low quality" in terms of ghetto or ratchet, the women I pull are mainly EDUCATED women. They are low quality in that they aren't bringing SHYT to the table. They want me to be a consistent entertainment for them and cater to THEIR wants and desires...I'm asking why don't these women bring a SERVING attitude to the table? In terms of being loyal, supportive, etc. like a Traditional Woman would do? This on TOP of the other issues from their financial problems, weight issues, etc.

The only thing I'm getting from these women are SEX and Companionship, nothing else.

I mean, do you guys see what I'm saying here or not? I'm already GOING AFTER the "good girl," and what I'm telling you is that the good girl isn't bringing shyt to the table in terms of a Traditional woman. She is bringing SO LITTLE to the table in terms of relationship value, that it's only SEX and Companionship...which is why I asked the question why the hell not just fvck an Escort?

And I still don't get what you guys are saying about just EXPAND the social circle, STOP directly pursuing women, and more quality women are going to appear....THEN when they appear.....go after them? What? Here's how I meet women right now:

- Direct: Online and in person through random places

- Indirect: Social and Business circle, a friend of a friend type of things

I prefer DIRECT, because I have no control on the Indirect side of things, if I want something I go after it, not wait around to see if it walks in the door.
 

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Tenacity said:
Okay, I'm already apart of a lot of business clubs, political clubs, fitness clubs, etc. RIGHT NOW. I will expand that even further then.

I'm not being stubborn here and not trying to do truthful analysis, what I'm saying is that the things I'm "supposed to do" I have already done:

- From the fixing myself part

- To the social AND business circle part

The women I'm getting aren't "low quality" in terms of ghetto or ratchet, the women I pull are mainly EDUCATED women. They are low quality in that they aren't bringing SHYT to the table. They want me to be a consistent entertainment for them and cater to THEIR wants and desires...I'm asking why don't these women bring a SERVING attitude to the table? In terms of being loyal, supportive, etc. like a Traditional Woman would do? This on TOP of the other issues from their financial problems, weight issues, etc.

The only thing I'm getting from these women are SEX and Companionship, nothing else.

I mean, do you guys see what I'm saying here or not? I'm already GOING AFTER the "good girl," and what I'm telling you is that the good girl isn't bringing shyt to the table in terms of a Traditional woman. She is bringing SO LITTLE to the table in terms of relationship value, that it's only SEX and Companionship...which is why I asked the question why the hell not just fvck an Escort?

And I still don't get what you guys are saying about just EXPAND the social circle, STOP directly pursuing women, and more quality women are going to appear....THEN when they appear.....go after them? What? Here's how I meet women right now:

- Direct: Online and in person through random places

- Indirect: Social and Business circle, a friend of a friend type of things

I prefer DIRECT, because I have no control on the Indirect side of things, if I want something I go after it, not wait around to see if it walks in the door.
The girls from social game don't just appear. For me I push into other groups of friends then start interacting with as many women as possible while sifting out the chaff.
So its
Find women in areas I might be interested in
if they dont qualify friendzone them.
Work my way through their friends.
I have multiple groups I work on at a time.
Yeah it can take time to establish but the idea is options and to have plenty of them. If I go out I have dozens of women to choose to come as friends which makes it easy to pick up other women.
Finding what you want can be a numbers game. Just pickups can be one shot and its over. I haven't used online game really so can't comment.

I also get what you are saying. You can get women but they fail the test.
Are you bringing dominant to the table?
Have you tried just flat out saying online "looking for ***** to serve tenacity" (well not those exact words).
Have you played the dom and just flat out stated what you want with women.
In the end though a woman is only as good as her friends. Once they get in their ear all bets are off. Friend quality is also important.

Were you raised by single mother or both parents?
I get that you are discouraged, and it probably feels like wading through a river of $hit to find something you are not sure exists.But understand there are guys uglier, poorer with less skills who paddled round and circled that lake 4-5 times to get what they wanted.
Settling is the easiest thing in the world millions if not billions of guys do it. But I swear the quality women do pop up out of nowhere after you are just about to throw it all in.
Maybe back off on looking for the one and just date for fun and the hell of it for a while. You are a bit deep in the hole to be finding anyone.
 

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Got it, and I was raised by a Single Mother. Her and my Father (if that's what you want to call him) were basically screwing around without protection. She basically pawned a kid on him and made him pay child support, she would even hold it over him and continue to raise the child support, threaten him to do XYZ or she would raise it, etc.

The guy never did any Fatherly shyt towards me, everytime I would talk to him and discuss this flat out with him....he would dance around the situation, flat out lie, etc. I got tired of it and just flat out CURSED him out over it. It was 31 years of just flat out frustration.

The guy was also somewhat of a loser at the time, and they had me LATE, they were in their late 30's at the time. I am significantly ahead of him if you compared myself at 31 and him at 31, but even more than that, even though he eventually got a position with GM during the boom years....I'm practically damn near even with him right now at 31 and he's in his mid-60's.

That makes me feel good as hell, because I literally was thrown out in the world to figure out EVERY THING on my own.
 

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Mr.Tenacity,
I "get" your arguement. I worked in "the Hood" for many years in a field which gave me substantial access to black families and women raising children. (Education/Social Work)

Marriage for many I met was a pipe dream. It was unnecessary as the government supports women with kids, and divorce rates are 80-90% for many. Adultry is high, and the drama from it a great conversation starter. Out of wedlock child birth is very high, even among educated people. Many women I met had degrees and had no use "marrying down" to lessor educated or financially capable men. ..even the father's of the kids. So, you are in many ways correct, your pool of serious women may be shallow. Many DO see men as simply toys or temporary entertainment, being unaccustomed to and not needing real family bonds.

You might have better luck outside your culture if serious with a quality woman is what you want. To so so you must be real. It has its own difficulties. You must be a calm, accomplished man of integrity and capability at peace, who knows who and what he is and wants, and exudes class. These qualities will make you light up like a beacon at an airport, distinguishing you from other destinations. . These qualities are attractive to all cultures. I'm not saying there are no quality black women out there. .they are tough to find. Think of it as two needles in a stack of needles trying to sort thru the others to find eachother. If you are that beacon, she will find you.

I have read some of your posts. You have anger and bitterness, conflict. It's not attractive to women and isn't as disguisible as you think. To them it's instability or danger, so you attract unstable people who are there for a good time, not a long time. I suggest you enroll in a marital art such as Akido. .. for a long, long time. Odd thing about humans, as we pr active and prepare for conflict with comrades we learn a lot about committment, respect, work, integrity, accepting of others and arrive at peace regardless of the previous inner turmoil . The most prepared to fight rarely do, and that confidence is attractive.

Best of luck.

http://www.healthymarriageinfo.org/...ican-americans-and-black-community/index.aspx
 

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Prime Beef, you need to put your age in your profile to post in Mature Man.
 

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Tenacity said:
Got it, and I was raised by a Single Mother. Her and my Father (if that's what you want to call him) were basically screwing around without protection. She basically pawned a kid on him and made him pay child support, she would even hold it over him and continue to raise the child support, threaten him to do XYZ or she would raise it, etc.

The guy never did any Fatherly shyt towards me, everytime I would talk to him and discuss this flat out with him....he would dance around the situation, flat out lie, etc. I got tired of it and just flat out CURSED him out over it. It was 31 years of just flat out frustration.

The guy was also somewhat of a loser at the time, and they had me LATE, they were in their late 30's at the time. I am significantly ahead of him if you compared myself at 31 and him at 31, but even more than that, even though he eventually got a position with GM during the boom years....I'm practically damn near even with him right now at 31 and he's in his mid-60's.

That makes me feel good as hell, because I literally was thrown out in the world to figure out EVERY THING on my own.
Yeah I suspected a tough upbringing/single mother, its one big part of the puzzle. This will directly feed into your outlook. Its good just to be aware that it will cause issues with how you perceive women and relationships. A big part of becoming a stronger man is owning flaws, weaknesses or any negative patterns that may have developed over time. They can be hard as hell to see on your own so forums like this come in handy. Other then that - brother you are a success. It can be a tough ride so props to you.
 

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I watched a football life on Chad Johnson; he was raised by his grandmother, and his father lived litarlly down the street from his house, and his father didn't want jack **** to do with him. he said he didn't meet his father until he was in his teens and he did that by his grandmom just saying see there's your dad right there, in that house right there. he goes over there to meet his dad, and his dad has an entire ****ing family, the wife, the kids (chad's half siblings) and his dad telling him to GTFO, that he was a mistake and he didn't want **** to go do with him. It's a lot of why he has issues.


You can't seriously derive any type of dating information from Chad Johnson's personal life. He's too ****ed up.


I feel where you are coming from Tencity. I too am black. I too am 31 years old. I too have a **** father, though mine was better than yours.. he actually half ass tried. But still my parents were divorced when I was 7-8 years old. Though my parents had me when they were in their teens.


I can only speak for myself but the older I get, the more I resent the **** out of my parents, in particular my fahter. Why can you not keep your **** within 10 miles of your pants lol? My dad had my little brother by another women while married to my mom. ****ed me up, ****ed Caleb (my brother) up becuase he's not my brother, he's the dude that ****ed my parents marriage by being born. To this day we have an odd relationship.. I would be lying if i said i love him. I really would. I like the dude. But i never seriously considered him a brother. I'm sure he feels the same way about me. I have a 16 year old brother as well who I actually consider a brother.


The older I got the more I realized just how ****ed up my family dynamic was. I was pretty bitter. Even used drugs over it.

But at some point you have to learn to accept the lot that you've been bestowed, the good and the bad, and not resent others for what they have that you perceive.


My wife ironically enough, represents pretty much everything I resented in women / white people in general lol in my early 20's.. white lol, has both parents, both of them actually love her, they provided for her, they did parent **** like pay for her college, we even split the bill on the wedding her dad and I. The type of person who never had to seriously "struggle" for anything, and I resented the fact that while I made quite a name for myself, I did struggle mighty and still have the emotional scars left over from doing so. I never ever had a legit chance of being "normal" emotionally / mentally. The only thing I can seirously thank my parents for is both being good looking people, i have good genes.



Point being you have to bottle that **** in and you can't be resentful.
 

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1. This makes you a trick in life. In the escort game there are the escorts, their agency (if not just themselves marketing) and the tricks. The johns. The cattle. The sheep.

2. Giving up is not the way of a mature man. With so many other mature males of average or even less than average looks that are successfully dating women one must look at the question of why not me?

3. Then figure out whats wrong and fix it as men do.
 

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I think the OP has the same problem I do. He's looking for a woman who is worthy of marriage. THAT is as rare as a unicorn. I can find plenty of women to have sex with, but NOT one I would consent to spending the rest of my life with...... USUALLY it's their feminist rotted brain that makes the decision for me
 

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1. This makes you a trick in life. In the escort game there are the escorts, their agency (if not just themselves marketing) and the tricks. The johns. The cattle. The sheep.

....so? I remember back in my drug days I had this one "escort" who I saw reguarlly becuase she would also bring dope with her so I would get both my needs taken care of.

"She brought a friend of hers one day and we got to talking and she told me "she talks bad about you, she says you are just a trick". lol I was like she takes it up the ass for crack lol. do you honestly think i give a **** what she thinks about me lol?
 
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