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Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

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Question to KontrollerX, ppl who are recovering/recovered from past bpd relationships

AAAgent

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I am curious to know if you guys have gone through a similar situation or is it just myself.

I feel like i have been sent back about 7-8 years experience wise. I can hold eye contact anymore with anyone and automatically turn my head away as a reaction whenever i lock eyes. I always feel awkward and shy in situations and sometimes stay too long,leave too early, talk too much, talk too little.
I've been trying to go out alot and though this has helped tremendously on getting over the relationship i find myself staying the entire night out at a club by myself and drinking alone and having no desire to approach or dance.
i began to notice these things slowly as girls have come to talk to me and i catch myself holding horrible conversations and i see their interest level drop.
i have always been a confident guy in all aspects including women in general. i soemtimes was still awkward with women i liked but after many attempts at reducing aa when i was younger it has gotten alot better. I always felt like an attractive male since i was 5'11 for an asian which is tall and always had girls or people in general compliment me or give me indirect "your hot/cute/sexy" through friends etc. for masculinity i was never messed with because i was taught to hurt anyone who tries to hurt you. i recieved a suspension every year from kindergarten to 10th grade. i was expelled from my middleschool and forced to switch.

i still think i am an attractive male and i still feel motivated in what i do and chasing women for fun(i do have a slight case of oneitis which i am working on) but i feel almost as if i've been pulled back 7-8 and all the experience and confidence i have developed has been stripped. all the approaches i have done to decrease my AA or get rid of it, my ability to approach strangers and ask questions, and my ability to hold conversations to increase interest level.

A brief background of my history so you guys can understand where i am coming from.

I am end of this week out of a 1 year bpd relationship for 2 months now.

Things i went through emotional abuse, physical abuse, and mental abuse. My ex never put me down. i never really tolerated her bpd behavior (extreme cases) and that is why we fought alot.

things that happened to me regularly

1.) i would get *****ed at or she would become angry at me for no real sufficient reason.... example:i was 2 minutes late to respond to her text (just sometimes she wasn't always this f'cked up. i would apologize here
2.) get slapped in the face almost everyday.... this happened about 6 months into the relationship. first i would ask her why and she said because i bothered her. then i would explain how that doesn't give her the right to do that...she would then respond then don't bother me/tickle her. since i was always used to getting into fights this didn't hurt at all but it was annoying since it was my face. i would only annoy her more after this by tickling her or other things.
3.)she punched me in the face once and gave me a nosebleed. i faked like it hurt so she would feel bad.
4.)she threw me into a dresser(i let her throw me because the fight was getting out of hand and i needed it to end) and i faked to go unconscious. she hit me and threw water on me for a few minutes and then started to feel bad. i layed still for 30 minutes.
5.)i used to beg her alot when we got into fights because i felt like it was the only way to get her to come back.
6.) she told me she was almost raped and was forced to perform oral sex instead. i found out the truth later and it was consensual and then i found out ALL about her past that she lied about and i could never forget about it. She told me she only had 3 boyfriends before and explained to me in detail and then said i was the first one. she only kissed the other 3. then i found out about 4 more boyfriends and a few other hook ups. even at age 13 she was already giving oral sex....
now that i look back it was emotionally abusing her when i brought these things up and called her a slut but i could not get over it and tried to leave her over these things. eventually a friend told me whats in the past is in the past and i should move on and work on a future if i want this relationship to work. i still brought this topic up from time to time.



i was physically abused but i didn't always take it.
it started out small with pushing which i let go, then hitting which i would try to dodge. hitting got really bad and i would restrain her and she would spit on me sometimes. eventually i thought letting her hit me and faking alot of pain would work, since she would see how much she hurt me and would stop. that only worked for that day/instance and she would do it all over again come nighttime or the next day. eventually i would push her back just dominate her and scare the **** out of her telling her to f!ck off. she was scared but still insisted on fighting me physically. we would kick each other off the bed until one of us got tired and i would apologize first and then ask her to apologize. she rarely did. eventually it turned into fights where she would full out hit me and i would push her/restrain her/ smack her hands away/hit her elbows/knees and fists.

i was childish/major afc/ and wrong for staying and hitting her back.

im guessing the end being afc back then is known. i wanted to break off the relationship for months but could never do it for good and this time with her help we finally did it. she found a bf 4 days later.

during the whole relationship my composure outside of the relationship school/clubs/chilling/meeting people was all normal but its after the relationship was over i felt like i time traveled back 7-8 years and lost everything i gained from field experience.
 

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Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Sounds like you have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder to me.

It produces many of the things you wrote about such as your not being able to hold eye contact without looking away and staying up at a bar all night by yourself.

Note: The intimacy and trust you gave up to the BPD was abused to such an extent and you were so traumatized from it the PTSD makes you disgusted on a sub conscious level for even the thought of trying to get intimacy going with a new woman which is why you could care less to approach any chick. You are numb in a way without being completely numb.

You've been traumatized to the very core of your being and that has given you PTSD most likely and PTSD changes your brain chemical reactions/what have you in such ways that you start to lose control of some of your emotions and react to things that previously would of been trivial matters as though they were great offenses or maybe you just find that things that previously wouldn't of hurt you bring you emotional pain now or if you think back to your relationship and certain things that really bother and shame you now it is kind of like a trigger that overwhelms you with anxiety and panic attacks that you just wish you could escape from.

You feel like you are losing control, losing your mind but in reality it is just PTSD and the attacks eventually pass.

So my verdict is what you probably need is professional therapy for the treatment of PTSD but if you are hesitant to go that route pick up the excellent book from Amazon.com titled "I can't get over it" which then goes on to have a longer title explaining that it is about helping someone recover from PTSD and other assorted trauma.

PTSD is not something that can in general be shook off by you reading a few inspirational posts and getting out there. It needs real professional treatment to be rid of completely or as much as possible but if you can't or won't get treatment the book I recommended should help alleviate some of your difficulties with it.

Edit: Almost forgot if you notice a lack of pleasure for various activities you previously enjoyed greatly thats also a function of PTSD and or the depression that can come along with it.
 

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My case never got that extreme and I don't think my ex was BPD or if she was it was very mild. She was just immature and I acted AFC on a lot of things. We were with each other 4 years. We had small fights for 3 of those years but things were relatively good from my point of view (We did fight about a lot of stupid stuff though). The only odd thing was that we went from having sex 3 times a day to like twice a week at its worst.
The last year was the worst I've had as far as relationships go. She would supposedly hang out with her mom long after her classes ended. I would often come home from my job before she was home and she wasn't even working. A couple of times she would go out and not come home and her mom would say she was staying at her place. (Her mom is just as %#* up as she so I imagine she was playing a "backdoor"). From one of these excursions she had, her phone died and when she got home I checked the phones messages and the third to last one was some dude I didn't know asking her "hey wanna $*#^" I ended it right then and there and took as much of my crap out of our apartment as I could. I varied things up in the bedroom and was able to recover some of the good sex we had but I think at that point things were far beyond my ability to fix them properly. We broke up and hooked up a few times after wards. The situation got semi comical one other guy was asking her if something was going on with another dude listed on her phone. I texted all of them back "gentlemen begin using condoms ;)

I am Trajhenkhet and she is no longer my problem.

I get some of those feelings your describing, sometimes I have to force myself to game. Its getting better as time goes on though.
 

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i didn't think the problem would be as bad a PTSD but anything is possible.

I don't know if i made it clear or not but i do not want her back anymore. i have not contacted her for about 7 weeks.
i try not to think about her at all whether happy or sad thoughts but occasionally they do come up but don't stay in my head long because i tend to try to occupy myself when that happens.

i recently had a nightmare/dream about her... the dream itself was going good i was with her after a break and we were happy then boom....everything hit me...apparently in my dream at the beginning i had no recollection of the trauma she put me through then everything she did to me hit me and i just got scared and tried to find a way to get away from her in my dream...but it was hard cuz i was in love. i actually did run away from her (not leave her....actually run away) and she chased me... don't really remember the rest.

in general i am functional. i enjoy all the things i used to enjoy, i am a bit lazier and work out at home instead of going to the gym. but i still talk to friends/club and bar/work/play games. all that is still good to me.

but

i lost alot of confidence. A LOT of confidence, atleast that's what i think it is. i just don't find the need to talk to people outside of my social circle anymore but i am slowly trying to change that...its like how i was 7-8 years ago... i always waited for people to approach me... and if i did approach people i turned major afc... i feel like that all over again and that is the only problem i have.

If you guys really feel it is PTSD then i may look into seeing a therapist

but

i thought it was just what all post bpd relationships people go through or possibly the breakup trauma that most afc's go through.

this post is taking from KDNASH82 and it best describes how i used to be.

It's be a long time since there has been a girl that has made me feel all tingly inside. I feel like I've reverted back to my middle school days where I had crushes on girls, but was too much of a wimp to do anything, or when I did, I was lame with game. It's crazy, cause it's only with this girl. Any other girl, I'm still pimp. Game is on and I'm just simply being me. No effort at all.

i had a approach today didn't go as well as it would have... i basically feel inferior to my old self and notice all the weaknesses that i have worked so hard to strengthen and they are now back again...
 
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