Question for very attractive dudes

[mjb3617]

height isn't everything. I have a 6-8 young guy at work. The young workers have complained to teh managers because one of them said he makes her uncomfortable because he's big and intimidating and I guess creeped her out because he added her to Instagram.

Probably did that because she doesn't find him attractive even though he's 6''8".

If she was attracted to him, she wouldn't have complained.

 

[biggoal]

Probably did that because she doesn't find him attractive even though he's 6''8".

If she was attracted to him, she wouldn't have complained.

As others have said, it gets to a point where you can be too tall. I think 6-2 is the sweet spot with a nice body. he's got some meat on him, muscular arms but because he's big bone frame I can see how younger, petite women can find that intimidating. If you're 6-8 you better have muscle or you look like a pencil. Remember Chris Pronger, and zdeno chara when they first entered the NHL they were made fun of because they were skinny, tall and clumsy. Both turned into HOF players eventually.

I'd rather be 6-2 with a chiseled body and abs rather than like 6-7 and average body and face.

 

[Francis]

Probably did that because she doesn't find him attractive even though he's 6''8".

If she was attracted to him, she wouldn't have complained.

Pretty much this. When it comes to women, it's usually issue + whether they're attracted to the person. All the people who get labeled as incels and losers are usually accurate in their judgements, such as claiming an ugly guy is considered a creep for doing the exact same thing a good looking guy does (without being judged negatively for it).

I remember one time when I walked in front of a girl who was driving in the gas station parking lot during the winter. At the time I was bundled up with a coat and winter hat, and she looked so angry at first, as if to say "WTF are you doing idiot?". Then she saw my face and had a big smile on hers. When I was getting the items I needed at the register, she came right up and said "Sorry, I didn't see you out there" in a low tone sweet voice.

In a split second I went from a disgusting, rude ******* to a great person deserving of an apology (even though it might have been my fault; not entirely sure).

 

[metalwater]

Idk, I feel more like building something longer lasting. Prepare for actually having kids with someone. Some girls have qualities I really want in a woman but they might be a "6" (if we're gonna use this system) but the lovepill can turn any 6 into a 10, so it matters less when it's not about casual sex. But some of them feel some sort of suspicion when I show interest. So I guess I need to go for objectively very attractive women that perhaps feel the same. Even though cute ones hit me harder than hot ones every will.

read the last few @Atom Smasher posts. he is talking about how to get what you're asking for. it may or may not work for you, but it is one of the prescribed ways to get it.

just fishing in the same mud hole will keep getting the same.

the 6 in the mud hole see you as a shark.

the 6 from the chance meeting, see you as exactly what you're asking for.

it's hard to filter out a hot babe as a healthy man so as to make room for a unicorn until you want it bad enough to do that.

never forget that women are still women.

 

[Velasco]

In a split second I went from a disgusting, rude ******* to a great person deserving of an apology (even though it might have been my fault; not entirely sure).

I agree and disagree with you.

You talk about a girl who had not seen you before she noticed you (behavior #1: rude to you), to then seeing you (behavior #2: attracted).

The girl biggoal is talking about has seen this guy multiple times because they work together. So she's had time to see what he is actually like. Vs her first impression of you.

Which goes back to an earlier comment of yours

I've had instances in the past where a girl would be super interested when I acted aloof and uninterested (ie, better than them), only to have all that interest plummet to nothing once they found out I was actually shy / inexperienced and awkward around women

After they see you for what you really are (behavior doesn't match looks) then you get "creepy"

 

[zekko]

Looks filter into everything. You may be a mathematics genius, and people will appreciate your genius just a little more, or on different level, if you're good looking. And that's not just for women. Good looking people tend to succeed better in life in almost every aspect.

 

[biggoal]

Looks filter into everything. You may be a mathematics genius, and people will appreciate your genius just a little more, or on different level, if you're good looking. And that's not just for women. Good looking people tend to succeed better in life in almost every aspect.

In certain professions it means more. Like local and national media. Notice the last few years MUCH more hot women in local news and national news reporting. However, on the local level I see for example, many of the men, at least in my viewing market are no super chads. Most of the men are just typical, average looking men. Not ugly of course but are not chads, especially the meteologist.

Same in the national level if you watch Fox news or CNN, MSDNC. Those men, the biggest names are not Chads or anywhere near chad level. Sean Hannity, Carl Tuckerson, Glenn Beck, Greg Gutfeld look beta like and are not above average looking. However, they have substance behind them.

If you took those men and got women the equivalent of them looks wise they would not be on the national news. Looks matter MUCH more with women to be taken seriously. Like if you took a woman on the level looks wise of Glenn Beck with the same political views she wouldn't be able to become famous.

Looks filter in MUCH more than men for women.

At least with a guy as long as he's not super short or severely ugly they can improve their image by losing weight, cosmetic work, hairstyle, etc. It's much much easier for a man to improve their image versus a woman.

A ugly woman is basically screwed the way she is. That's why you see more average looking men around than women where much higher percentage of them are below average.

 

[MissouriMark]

As others have said, it gets to a point where you can be too tall. I think 6-2 is the sweet spot with a nice body. he's got some meat on him, muscular arms but because he's big bone frame I can see how younger, petite women can find that intimidating. If you're 6-8 you better have muscle or you look like a pencil. Remember Chris Pronger, and zdeno chara when they first entered the NHL they were made fun of because they were skinny, tall and clumsy. Both turned into HOF players eventually.

I'd rather be 6-2 with a chiseled body and abs rather than like 6-7 and average body and face.

Zdeno Chara is practically 7 feet on skates. I saw a picture of his wife standing next to him. She looked like a little kid!

 

[zekko]

If you took those men and got women the equivalent of them looks wise they would not be on the national news. Looks matter MUCH more with women to be taken seriously. Like if you took a woman on the level looks wise of Glenn Beck with the same political views she wouldn't be able to become famous

That's one of the main complaints of feminism, that women have to succeed on the basis of their looks, and men don't. The guys still have to look good on camera though. Not like Chad, but they have to have good teeth and not be fat (usually). The good teeth can be bought though.

 

[biggoal]

That's one of the main complaints of feminism, that women have to succeed on the basis of their looks, and men don't. The guys still have to look good on camera though. Not like Chad, but they have to have good teeth and not be fat (usually). The good teeth can be bought though.

Lets not forget the clown makeup too the men wear as well. Same with movie stars men and women. If you see these men without makeup they look like the rest of us.

George Clooney is a great example. In the early 1990s before he became really famous he had bad teeth and his face didn't look nearly as good. I'm not sure how old you are to remember but you can look into it yourself as well. He had bad teeth and has had cosmetic work done.

That's the thing. With men you can get into shape and have cosmetic work done to look better. Women too of course but women who are ugly there isn't nearly as much improvement that can be done.

These news people if you see them off camera without the heavy makeup a lot of the women don't look nearly as good.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Basically you have to qualify her away, this is why I say the only committed woman is a financially committed one, tell her she needs to start checking boxes if she wants your time, don't be coy either, the checking boxes line is my go to and it always works, they either leave or meet the standard

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Can you give a recent scenario?

My Tinder profile literally says "No Broke Chicks" I'll have women match with me just do they can start an argument with me about how I'm not even that good looking or how I don't qualify, it's so easy to slowly work on them when they do this, especially because they are basically begging me to neg them, repeatedly, the more negging the better, it's hilarious and I get to enjoy myself, I post my screen shots elsewhere so I can't include any or I'll expose myself. Also, every chick who wants to argue is always a broke one but they are good for a couple lays.

For the most part, women with money don't entertain this behavior without report already being built but I basically blow up every relationship I have with all the women in my life at some point or another, if she ghosts, otherwise, is interested, all roads leads to her checking more and more boxes, then when I ghost, the implication is that I've found somebody higher value so when I reestablish communication later on there is a sense of urgency, no matter how you blow it up, always understand you can come back. I call it checking the trap line.

This is all that I do with women, establish report, scale qualification up and up and up until she rages, become unavailable, scale availability back slowly after some time. She perceives her own value going up if I break one of my boxes to be with her. So I'll buy a Tinder date a coffee after she's saw no broke chicks, it means much more, me buying her a coffee, than it would otherwise.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

I'd be nice to see this idea in a thread of it's own with examples and timeframes for each step.

It's not steps it's creating anger and slowly deescalating, I cultivated this method through years of dating women half way across the world in LTRs, it's cringe to admit but doing that allowed me to understand that cultivating emotion is more important than anything else

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

An example of scaling qualification? Become unavailable for how long?

Money is the only qualifier, looks are sacred, you can't call her ugly and come back from that, even weight is difficult to come back if her interest is not genuine.

Unavailability is something that has to be genuine, it can't be obvious your just trying to build value, if your looking for a concrete answer there just isn't one, I'm the type of guy she can just look at my Instagram and see what I'm doing daily so the unavailability is genuine, she can see it, when I'm not busy I check the trap line, you can't have this hesitation of a time frame, you have to be righteous. If your looking for a time frame, just drop all contact with all women and cultivate a purpose, a hobby, anything that you can use as a time sink. Be righteous, any time frame works if your genuine.

I have my purpose, that is my focus, no woman comes anywhere close to it, be eccentric. All her words just run off you like wipers in the rain, you have to be righteous, she can be as angry as she wants but this is you, when she sees you don't bend to emotion that is when she'll believe you are genuine.

So I guess sooner than later but only because your basically confronting her emotions, showing you have no fear

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Like another poster mentioned, girls around 18-24 (or even a bit higher) generally aren't looking to settle down and only want to have fun. They're looking for excitement. You can still get rejected if you act too nice and relationship-like with some of them. Don't buy into the usual shtick that they tell themselves (and you) to the contrary, because no one wants to be perceived as being shallow or a slut, and will deny it to the end of the earth. Their status and perception is massively important to them. That's why it must always be your fault when they have sex and so on. The rules don't change.

For the most part, girls in the 6 and 7 range are the ones who have the relationship-like qualities. The hot girls, despite complaining non-stop about being used for sex, either are only good for sex or are looking for it themselves. Don't assume that just because they play the victim about wanting a decent guy to settle down with (they all do it, even to this day, in their 30s & 40s on social media) that it's cut and dry. There's a lot of **** they say that has absolutely no basis on reality, and the really hot ones are full of hypocrisy and double standards. Not to mention they are so self-absorbed and entitled that they don't even see (or care about) all the bull**** they do to others. In their minds they are always the victim and perfect in every way. Don't be blinded by lust. Their actions usually don't match their words and they really are full of it.

Another thing I'd suggest is not to tell all your problems / weaknesses / insecurities to everyone. Or your achievements. Don't assume everyone is on your side or that you're special because you're attractive. Keep it anonymous like on the internet. A lot of people will be happy that you fail or lead you the wrong way and try to use your opportunities to their advantage (while trying to destroy you in the process). Learned that lesson the hard way. A lot of users and jealous people out there.

not true, the hotter girls are the ones that have their pick of the litter and can get an alpha male to commit to them. They are less likely to be into causal sex, OLD etc they usually find a good provider at a young age and stay in a relationship for years on end. Theyre often with their first BF from Univeristy or high school

 

[Stoic]

Mostly how to tell.

"Letting".

It's a problem because I want someone who likes me and not just my body.

Girls will compliment you on what they like most about you.

I have a decent personality, but probably just slightly above average looks.

I get from women, you are so chill and relaxed to talk to. All the other men are pushy. And then I angle that into sex and relationship.

 

[Black Widow Void]

How do you handle it when chicks are not really into you but just stay with you because you're hot? How do you filter them out?

Although my prime has come and gone, like yesterday I remember the past frustration. The only way I was able to filter, was to engage them one on one. You'll usually discover their shallowness, but once in a while, you'll find someone with substance.

In retrospect, it's a bit humbling. Most of them aren't really aren't into us. It's more about us being seen with a hot girl (that other women hate themselves for admiring) The other girls want the satisfaction of getting and being seen with the same guy.

It's like a double-edged sword. Even if you mock and ridicule them, they appear oblivious and still want you. I'm probably considered "average" these days, but I don't miss the days (well, not very much) when I was at my peak.

 

[Francis]

not true, the hotter girls are the ones that have their pick of the litter and can get an alpha male to commit to them. They are less likely to be into causal sex, OLD etc they usually find a good provider at a young age and stay in a relationship for years on end. Theyre often with their first BF from Univeristy or high school

This hasn't been the case in any of the areas I've lived in (same state). The exceptionally attractive girls and guys are usually single because people either can't tolerate them, don't trust them, or they're not faithful. But they usually don't care (for long) because they receive attention constantly and all it takes to find a willing partner is to leave the house. They're on my social media and if they are taken (which is rare and doesn't last) it's with a less attractive person. Status is very important to them, and no one wants an annoying, shallow person clogging their feed or being around their friends. A lot of these hot girls are still hanging out at the bars and attention whoring on social media even at 40 years old. Back in the day they were mostly found at parties. But they still look pretty damn good. Compared to others, they are very immature. I'd be willing to bet that most of the guys still bang them even if they're taken. Almost all of the girls and only a few of the guys have children -- some girls have quite a lot. But there is no guy seen with them.

These good looking alpha males as you call them pump and dump quickly. I used to be in the same friend group as these people and saw it happen. ****, I still see it happen on social media. A guy will compliment her on her pictures for a while (since they post them every single day), make her feel all special, then hook up and never talk to her again. The girl will start posting quotes about being used and how they want this and that but can never find it. All this talk about not giving a **** and paying them no attention doesn't match what I've seen women respond to. They love attention, compliments, being special, and getting all romantic, but from the right guy. I haven't seen any of the hot girls get involved with or excited over an above average or lower guy in all the years I've known people. A lot of the good looking guys that they crush on are sweet talkers. They just move incredibly fast to get what they want then bail, which is probably why women complain that all men are jerks. They pull a bait & switch and some do lead the girl on. I remember back in the day a best friend had more than a few girls come by in confusion (but not really anger) because they were led to believe there would be more. I'm guessing it's because he said there would be. But when women complain, it's about this specific type of man, since others might as well not exist.

The difference between these guys and a lot of others (who over-analyze and try to strategize everything) is that they took action. They just went for it and didn't give a ****. And they did it fast, when the iron was hot. They'd see a girl was checking them out or acting flirty and girly, and they'd make a move. Or they just saw a hot girl and complimented her first. There was no real fear or nervousness, especially in regards to bringing up the topic of sex. I remember one time I brought a hot girl over to a friend's house, and one of the first things he did was ask if she was down for a foursome (with his girl & us). She declined but that's how he was, and he got laid all the time. A different time he was with another friend and just started talking about having a threesome and how awesome it is for the girl when she's in this or that position, and they ended up having one that night. *All parties involved were exceptionally attractive.

But no one ever wanted a relationship with a hot girl, and those that did get involved (like my dumb ass at the time) regretted it because of their high maintenance, annoying attitudes, cheating, etc. And they very much were into casual sex especially in the younger years. But they pretty much wanted it all on demand, so you can't say they just wanted casual sex. No matter what they got, they weren't satisfied and always complained. And they used guys like you wouldn't believe and always played the victim when they couldn't get their way. There was a lot of drama surrounding them and guys would always message them and so on. It honestly wasn't worth it. But then again, a lot of the guys were the same way.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

This hasn't been the case in any of the areas I've lived in (same state). The exceptionally attractive girls and guys are usually single because people either can't tolerate them, don't trust them, or they're not faithful. But they usually don't care (for long) because they receive attention constantly and all it takes to find a willing partner is to leave the house. They're on my social media and if they are taken (which is rare and doesn't last) it's with a less attractive person. Status is very important to them, and no one wants an annoying, shallow person clogging their feed or being around their friends. A lot of these hot girls are still hanging out at the bars and attention whoring on social media even at 40 years old. Back in the day they were mostly found at parties. But they still look pretty damn good. Compared to others, they are very immature. I'd be willing to bet that most of the guys still bang them even if they're taken. Almost all of the girls and only a few of the guys have children -- some girls have quite a lot. But there is no guy seen with them.

These good looking alpha males as you call them pump and dump quickly. I used to be in the same friend group as these people and saw it happen. ****, I still see it happen on social media. A guy will compliment her on her pictures for a while (since they post them every single day), make her feel all special, then hook up and never talk to her again. The girl will start posting quotes about being used and how they want this and that but can never find it. All this talk about not giving a **** and paying them no attention doesn't match what I've seen women respond to. They love attention, compliments, being special, and getting all romantic, but from the right guy. I haven't seen any of the hot girls get involved with or excited over an above average or lower guy in all the years I've known people. A lot of the good looking guys that they crush on are sweet talkers. They just move incredibly fast to get what they want then bail, which is probably why women complain that all men are jerks. They pull a bait & switch and some do lead the girl on. I remember back in the day a best friend had more than a few girls come by in confusion (but not really anger) because they were led to believe there would be more. I'm guessing it's because he said there would be. But when women complain, it's about this specific type of man, since others might as well not exist.

The difference between these guys and a lot of others (who over-analyze and try to strategize everything) is that they took action. They just went for it and didn't give a ****. And they did it fast, when the iron was hot. They'd see a girl was checking them out or acting flirty and girly, and they'd make a move. Or they just saw a hot girl and complimented her first. There was no real fear or nervousness, especially in regards to bringing up the topic of sex. I remember one time I brought a hot girl over to a friend's house, and one of the first things he did was ask if she was down for a foursome (with his girl & us). She declined but that's how he was, and he got laid all the time. A different time he was with another friend and just started talking about having a threesome and how awesome it is for the girl when she's in this or that position, and they ended up having one that night. *All parties involved were exceptionally attractive.

But no one ever wanted a relationship with a hot girl, and those that did get involved (like my dumb ass at the time) regretted it because of their high maintenance, annoying attitudes, cheating, etc. And they very much were into casual sex especially in the younger years. But they pretty much wanted it all on demand, so you can't say they just wanted casual sex. No matter what they got, they weren't satisfied and always complained. And they used guys like you wouldn't believe and always played the victim when they couldn't get their way. There was a lot of drama surrounding them and guys would always message them and so on. It honestly wasn't worth it. But then again, a lot of the guys were the same way.

Interesting post, I’ll respond shortly but can you clarify what you mean by ‘I haven't seen any of the hot girls get involved with or excited over an above average or lower guy in all the years I've known people.’ This doesn’t make sense

 

[SmoothSmooth]

This hasn't been the case in any of the areas I've lived in (same state). The exceptionally attractive girls and guys are usually single because people either can't tolerate them, don't trust them, or they're not faithful. But they usually don't care (for long) because they receive attention constantly and all it takes to find a willing partner is to leave the house. They're on my social media and if they are taken (which is rare and doesn't last) it's with a less attractive person. Status is very important to them, and no one wants an annoying, shallow person clogging their feed or being around their friends. A lot of these hot girls are still hanging out at the bars and attention whoring on social media even at 40 years old. Back in the day they were mostly found at parties. But they still look pretty damn good. Compared to others, they are very immature. I'd be willing to bet that most of the guys still bang them even if they're taken. Almost all of the girls and only a few of the guys have children -- some girls have quite a lot. But there is no guy seen with them.

These good looking alpha males as you call them pump and dump quickly. I used to be in the same friend group as these people and saw it happen. ****, I still see it happen on social media. A guy will compliment her on her pictures for a while (since they post them every single day), make her feel all special, then hook up and never talk to her again. The girl will start posting quotes about being used and how they want this and that but can never find it. All this talk about not giving a **** and paying them no attention doesn't match what I've seen women respond to. They love attention, compliments, being special, and getting all romantic, but from the right guy. I haven't seen any of the hot girls get involved with or excited over an above average or lower guy in all the years I've known people. A lot of the good looking guys that they crush on are sweet talkers. They just move incredibly fast to get what they want then bail, which is probably why women complain that all men are jerks. They pull a bait & switch and some do lead the girl on. I remember back in the day a best friend had more than a few girls come by in confusion (but not really anger) because they were led to believe there would be more. I'm guessing it's because he said there would be. But when women complain, it's about this specific type of man, since others might as well not exist.

The difference between these guys and a lot of others (who over-analyze and try to strategize everything) is that they took action. They just went for it and didn't give a ****. And they did it fast, when the iron was hot. They'd see a girl was checking them out or acting flirty and girly, and they'd make a move. Or they just saw a hot girl and complimented her first. There was no real fear or nervousness, especially in regards to bringing up the topic of sex. I remember one time I brought a hot girl over to a friend's house, and one of the first things he did was ask if she was down for a foursome (with his girl & us). She declined but that's how he was, and he got laid all the time. A different time he was with another friend and just started talking about having a threesome and how awesome it is for the girl when she's in this or that position, and they ended up having one that night. *All parties involved were exceptionally attractive.

But no one ever wanted a relationship with a hot girl, and those that did get involved (like my dumb ass at the time) regretted it because of their high maintenance, annoying attitudes, cheating, etc. And they very much were into casual sex especially in the younger years. But they pretty much wanted it all on demand, so you can't say they just wanted casual sex. No matter what they got, they weren't satisfied and always complained. And they used guys like you wouldn't believe and always played the victim when they couldn't get their way. There was a lot of drama surrounding them and guys would always message them and so on. It honestly wasn't worth it. But then again, a lot of the guys were the same way.

My first hand experience is that pretty and confident women generally like the chase and anxiety of being with someone ‘out of their league’. There are some girls with really low self esteem that go for high smv guys that ‘comment all over their social media’ and give them tons of attention as you mention - and therefore attract scenarios that get them used for pump and dump or threesomes, further confirming and lowering their self esteem. Only someone with low self esteem would fall into that cycle. Most girls however would see through that, and a scenario like that would only work if the guy is much more attractive than the girl. I agree hot girls care about status, as you mention, which is why they therefore are looking for a desired boyfriend (the ultimate status trophy), not a pump and dump.
Humans are not wired to value things which come easy.

Pump and dump for women is like fapping for men, it leaves you feeling drained and worse after and isn’t seen as an accomplishment.

You mention hot girls aged 40 being at bars etc, but a girl aged 40 isn’t considered high smv. Age 18-24 is what I’m talking about.

I am an objectively high smv guy. Even though I open the girls first 90% of the time, Ive never attracted a woman that didn’t require me to play ‘hard to get’ on some level at the start (after opening). Every successful seduction has followed the exact same pattern. I open them indirectly with an observation and get an initial ‘feeler’ from them - either they are warm/receptive/asking me questions back or they are cold. If they are warm, I get the number/social media and text very sparingly (if it’s social circle/at work, I won’t go for the number straight away. I will just go about my day and let them open me next time we meet). At some point in the text convo they will **** test me by taking a few days to reply or flaking a date etc. I act busy/don’t chase and they reappear and we schedule a date. I continue the aloof behaviour, Replying later, giving no validation/compliments, taking it slow/being mysterious. On the date, they do most of the talking and it’s easy to escalate from there. We kiss during the first date and they text first afterwards to thank me. From the point onwards, the ball is in my court.