"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Question for the veteran fellas in relationships...

Atom Smasher

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You know what, my man, I'm going to give it to you straight up because I'm not sure if you're just naive or an arrogant wise-ass.

You sound and think just like a woman. You just did what women do... Someone gives you sound advice, and you then counter with a silly, downright ridiculous extreme.

You certainly are confused (your words). VERY confused.

Stop disrespecting the men on this site who legitimately offered the advice that you asked for. I think it's clear that both you and your girlfriend deserve each other.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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OP, now that I understand what you're asking (which is not what you originally asked), I find you question too vague. You're saying she's a challenging person who will go toe-to-toe with you every once and a while. What specifically do you want advice on? How to stand your ground and not lose face or something?

"how do you deal with a girlfriend that WILL state her opinion on any and everything that bothers her?" -- you just accept that and either agree or disagree with her. I don't know what kind of advice we can really give you on this, is it somehow damaging your relationship? I like a woman who can speak her mind too, it leads to more interesting conversation... So what is your specific problem with her challenging nature? You would like to lessen the disagreements? You'd like to approach them a different way? I'm not understanding what kind of advice you seek.


I understand where you're coming from now that you've clarified, but it seems to vague for any of us to help. You have to also consider that most posters here are going to advocate a strict take-it-or-leave-it approach to relationships. You've been here long enough to know that's a given.
 

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handle said:
OP, now that I understand what you're asking (which is not what you originally asked), I find you question too vague. You're saying she's a challenging person who will go toe-to-toe with you every once and a while. What specifically do you want advice on? How to stand your ground and not lose face or something?

"how do you deal with a girlfriend that WILL state her opinion on any and everything that bothers her?" -- you just accept that and either agree or disagree with her. I don't know what kind of advice we can really give you on this, is it somehow damaging your relationship? I like a woman who can speak her mind too, it leads to more interesting conversation... So what is your specific problem with her challenging nature? You would like to lessen the disagreements? You'd like to approach them a different way? I'm not understanding what kind of advice you seek.


I understand where you're coming from now that you've clarified, but it seems to vague for any of us to help. You have to also consider that most posters here are going to advocate a strict take-it-or-leave-it approach to relationships. You've been here long enough to know that's a given.
He's "vauge" because he's backtracking/lying to save face.
 

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Thatfeel21 said:
Ok, so we all know females LOVE drama..If your girl is the argumentative type, how do you balance between arguing with her to give her her 'drama' feed and just ignoring her? Its impossible to win an argument with a woman and my newest gf (of 4 months) is the epitomy of that phrase. Thoughts?
The best drama is the absence drama: Where you disappear for a long time, no show dates or ignore calls completely then pretend nothing happened.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I sense that the OP is trying to figure out how to give her the satisfaction she gets from drama without arguing.

Women will get their drama from a multitude of sources. Arguing with their man is one way, however many women will get their drama fix from listening to their girlfriends and/or other people's drama. They can also get it from reading romance novels, watching soaps, or playing online video games.

It sounds as if you chose a woman who likes getting her drama fix from relationships. Do yourself a favor and find a woman who prefers one of the more indirect types of drama. It'll cause you a lot less stress.

And quit trying to make excuses for the bytch.
 
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