Darth said:"****y and funny" for an attractive guy doesn't work. "Kind and manly" would be a better guideline.
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Why is this?
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Darth said:"****y and funny" for an attractive guy doesn't work. "Kind and manly" would be a better guideline.
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Why is this?
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Are you sure about this? I thought the same rules apply for all guys, no matter how good looking you are. I've tried your advice in the past on girls uglier than me, but they don't seem to work. I would consider myself a 7 or 8 in looks, so I guess this rule doesn't apply to me?Darth said:But the bottom line in talking to girls if you're attractive is this: you have to be "nice" at first to ease their nerves, and actively show interest. BUT, if you pick up on any kind of an ego or attitude on her part, then it's time to be nonchalant/cool/indifferent...in other words, playing the disinterest game.
Seriously. If you see that she is nervous just being in your presence (talking really fast, saying, "I feel so stupid right now," etc.), then no jokes at her expense, until she knows you better. "****y and funny" for an attractive guy doesn't work. "Kind and manly" would be a better guideline.
UNLESS, again, for some reason she thinks she's better than you.
When I say nice, I mean nice from a higher place. Think about it: if you're a really attractive guy hitting on a 7, if you blow her off or don't come off as approachable, she will give up.blue11199 said:Are you sure about this? I thought the same rules apply for all guys, no matter how good looking you are. I've tried your advice in the past on girls uglier than me, but they don't seem to work. I would consider myself a 7 or 8 in looks, so I guess this rule doesn't apply to me?
Rhino22 said:Bear in mind I'm still figuring this stuff out, so I don't have all the answers, but if you're attractive, and you're not talking to a bombshell, then "****y and funny" can come across as "stuck-up jerk."Darth said:"****y and funny" for an attractive guy doesn't work. "Kind and manly" would be a better guideline.
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Why is this?
If you're good-looking, I believe some of your work is done. You don't have anything to prove- it's obvious you are high value by your looks and your badass attitude. ****y and funny seems to me like something guys do to hide inadequacy, a quick fix.
But if you look good, and you're secure, and you have a good solid head on your shoulders....just being a MAN can go a long way. There are better ways of flirting than putting the woman down.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
I respect your decision to do what you please and what works best for you, as this game is not for everyone. You realized it in time and are now doing it your way. Thank you for your contribution, as I'm sure some will give it consideration, but what does that have to do with the topic in this thread?edger said:That's either one of two reasons: She's either an attention wh*re, or like Tazman suggests, they are intimidated. The game is a b*tch. I realized in recent years, it's just much, much less of a headache to invest your time and money wisely with escorts or fly to Amsterdam and invest in their high-end smoking hot prostitutes, or as they are better known, "kamer girls". And you know, honestly, I'm much happier this way, doing what I do, rather than endlessly waiting for a hot woman to be receptive. Because in the end, I win, I GET WHAT I WANT, WHERE I WANT, WHEN I WANT.![]()
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Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Nothing, I was just getting things off my chest, as well as of course suggesting other helpful avenues.Gangster Of Love said:Thank you for your contribution, as I'm sure some will give it consideration, but what does that have to do with the topic in this thread?
I 100% digress. Gangster, I've been in this game for a looooong time. My first "puppy love" girlfriend was at age 11. Since then, I have always hooked up with chicks(although not with the greatest consistency), except for the last 2 yrs, 8 months. I've been coming to this site for the last 6 yrs. I've worked on the parts of my game that needed work(my game never really needed a lot of work to begin with). I would think I should've learned something by now(I definitely have). I've read a lot of material on here. I'm out in the real world constantly. I hit up the clubs weekly. It is tough man. I'm not a dork, don't look like one, don't act like one; not a weirdo, don't look like one, don't act like one; don't smell, don't have bad breath, not socially inept, etc., etc. I'm a good-looking guy, I'm constantly told that, without me even asking or bringing it up. I have a friend that can't understand for the life of him, why in his words "a good-looking white guy like me never pulls". It baffles the sh*t out of him, to the point where he actually gets annoyed. It will lead to heated discussions sometimes. My game isn't great, but it is better than the average guys out there, I can tell you that; yet it is very odd that I haven't pulled since April 2007. What's even more odd, is that there are guys with actual average/below average game who are pulling more than I am, and I'm sure a lot of people here for that matter....but I can tell you one thing for sure, and if anyone wants to take my word for it, that's their choice, but I'm telling you as it's been for me. Some things just aren't meant to be. As cliche or ridiculous that might sound to some, well then maybe you might want to switch shoes with me and walk in mine, and maybe you'll see.Gangster Of Love said:Most of you can get there if you put in the work.