"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Quality girl, but unexpected flake. Advise pls =)

DjVelvet

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I know a girl in a fashion forum, and we have meet up for 2 quick lunch dates lasting an hour each. We chat averagely in MSN and the conversations are getting better and better, she's opening up and I can sense increasing interest from her (but as we all know, true interest has to be made on an actual date). We made plans to go travelling June this year to get some fashion stuffs. She was enthu towards it.

We made another plan for a dinner last Friday. She was very enthuistic about it and agrees immediately.

Expect the unexpected, an hr before the date, she txt me saying she cannot make it as she needs to accompany mom to aunt's place, but stated she will definitely give me another nice dinner treat. I only reply "ok". Her flake... I wonder if its Bull**** or what because she seems interested initially.

We are both busy and didn't get to talk to one another since last Friday. I'm interested to get her out again. However, I feel it’s a bit odd to reinitiate another meeting up, a part of me just wants to let her initiate everything (which may not happen at all, lol).

Maybe her interest level isn't high enough in the first place, what a waste, she's a nice girl. Any advices whether I should contact? Or wait?

I'm seeing other girls too, but by far, this girl i'm mentioning is a quality girl as compared to the others i'm seeing.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Sounds like you've hidden your sexuality because she's a 'nice girl' and her interest levels have dropped. Describe how you have been gaming this babe up to now, and how often you have been relegated to the friendzone in the past .
 

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Actually i know her for quite some time, say 3 months ago.

Its until recent 3 weeks I just IM her casually to chat and she's the sort that don't really talk much. But I keep ploughing and manage to get her opening up herself. I tease her relatively.

As for sexuality, I guess not much.. Partially we are both asians, more conversative towards sexuality, or how do i put it. the comfort is still not established enough yet.
 

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You are a guy and were in a fashion forum? I don't know any guys into fashion like that, that aren't gay. She thinks you're gay I bet.
 

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Not all Asians are conservative about sex. Trust me, I've known many that are very open about it. Don't limit yourself with generalizations.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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You are a guy and were in a fashion forum? I don't know any guys into fashion like that, that aren't gay. She thinks you're gay I bet.

I was going to retort with a smart remark, but then I noticed where in the U.S. you are located...

I'd say give it a go again in a couple days..ask her when she is going to feed u that dinner she promised...and yea you need to be a little more sexual...just don't lay it all on her at once, gradually is the way to go, kino kino kino! Don't just talk about fashion with her, she has her girlfriends and gay friends for that, talk about other things as well
 

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For stuff like this, I go by the "three strikes your out" policy. It's possible that her first excuse is genuine (and hey, she counter-offered). A second excuse could be genuine, but it could be bull5hit. If she dumps out a third time, it's definately time to drop her.
 

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Desdinova said:
For stuff like this, I go by the "three strikes your out" policy. It's possible that her first excuse is genuine (and hey, she counter-offered). A second excuse could be genuine, but it could be bull5hit. If she dumps out a third time, it's definately time to drop her.
I agree.
 

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Desdinova gave great advice. Still, I will throw my two cents.

DjVelvet said:
I know a girl in a fashion forum, and we have meet up for 2 quick lunch dates lasting an hour each. We chat averagely in MSN and the conversations are getting better and better, she's opening up and I can sense increasing interest from her (but as we all know, true interest has to be made on an actual date). We made plans to go travelling June this year to get some fashion stuffs. She was enthu towards it.

We made another plan for a dinner last Friday. She was very enthuistic about it and agrees immediately.

Expect the unexpected, an hr before the date, she txt me saying she cannot make it as she needs to accompany mom to aunt's place, but stated she will definitely give me another nice dinner treat. I only reply "ok". Her flake... I wonder if its Bull**** or what because she seems interested initially.
Well, let her contact you. It's tough but better than be made a fool of. You have to watch what they DO, not what they SAY.

Just yesterday I had this girl saying she liked me soooo much and thought I was a great guy, and had this HUGE fear of letting me go. She CRIED! And she is the girl you would say it's a "nice girl". Still, she would not make out with me. Of course I bailed... damn, putting me onto her STOCK? :nono:

You go after it. If things do not go the way you want them to go, you bail. No need to get anxious, there are plenty of women all around the world.

They are doing what their conditions permit. If they can get away with murder, then so be it. That's why you go for high interest. You're better off going for 100 women and having two who will appreciate your advances than concentrating on a small number and getting stuck on small stuff like this.

DjVelvet said:
We are both busy and didn't get to talk to one another since last Friday. I'm interested to get her out again. However, I feel it’s a bit odd to reinitiate another meeting up, a part of me just wants to let her initiate everything (which may not happen at all, lol).
But at least you know what you want to if she did not pursue you. She knows what you want. If she knows what she wants (and that happens to be you) your phone will ring. She has your number right?

DjVelvet said:
Maybe her interest level isn't high enough in the first place, what a waste, she's a nice girl. Any advices whether I should contact? Or wait?
No she is not. I made a thread about this a looooooong time ago. I've seen more than my share of "nice girls" going WILD (capital letters dammit!) when a guy who turns 'em on shows up.

DjVelvet said:
I'm seeing other girls too, but by far, this girl i'm mentioning is a quality girl as compared to the others i'm seeing.
Read above.

They're mostly the same, and you are making a HUGE mistake by qualifying her BEFORE she qualifies herself to you. Also, are you getting rid of DA COMPETITION? Bad move! :down:

Why are you denying her the joy of battling against other women?
 
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