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She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
I agree with these sections of your post. As long as you are comfortable being "you" the opinions of others seldom matter outside of being a barometer on whether you are the person you are trying to emote to the world.AngelusPUA said:...I personally do not think a real man would grovel at someone else’s feet to prove their identity to him. ...
I think this is an important lesson in life though, a real man should never feel the need to prove himself to anybody. This is what seduction books teach us to do they teach us that we need to prove ourselves worthy of a women’s time. Seduction books tell us to use C+F and to use canned lines and 101 other useless techniques; this is all self destructive behavior and it is not the behavior of a man. People here pretend to be somebody they are not to prove to girls that they are worthy.
A true man does not’t need to prove himself to anybody, he knows who he is and he is comfortable with it. He does not’t pretend to be someone his not, he doesn’t try to win a girls approval a real man is pursued by women because they are naturally attracted to him, not because he uses seduction techniques...
I agree with you man I have been a bit too critical on seduction gurus in the past whilst I believe most of them have huge flaws in their personalities and one should never aspire to be like them they do give out good advice.Francisco d'Anconia said:I agree with these sections of your post. As long as you are comfortable being "you" the opinions of others seldom matter outside of being a barometer on whether you are the person you are trying to emote to the world.
This is all about being authentic, congruent in your personality and your actions. This is where I believe that self help/pickup books are a good thing if used properly. Unfortunately, these guides (and this forum) is mostly misused by guys. They want "tried and true instructions" on specifically what to say and what to do, something that they could copy as apposed to something they can learn from.
In the book "The Game" Strauss coined a name for these copycats which alludes me at the moment. But in a nutshell he inadvertently spawned a society of Style "Minnie-Me's" that spat the exact same game to every women they tried to game. There was a glut on the pickup lines, routines and actions used for sarging and it made things less than effective.
So I say learn from anything and everything that you can, books, this forum, other DJ's and PUA's. The key to your personal success is PERSONALIZING what you learn so that the things that you do are your style, not someone else's. It's a guy's uniqueness that sets him aside from his competition.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
I agree that many of the more well known gurus seem to have an ulterior motive to their purpose other than sarging women. Ross with his Napoleonic complex, Mystery with his extreme need for acceptance, Tyler with his need to constantly prove himself as Alpha, the list goes on and on.AngelusPUA said:I agree with you man I have been a bit too critical on seduction gurus in the past whilst I believe most of them have huge flaws in their personalities and one should never aspire to be like them they do give out good advice.
Randomer said:OKOK, fine well I don't care who is telling the truth, but Angelus, you must agree that nevermind any of this "proving yourself" stuff, you're going to have to do it in life... a lot. I don't see how proving things to others is considered non-manly, I love to prove points/whatever to people, plus, just think about it... if you're proving something to someone else, you're automatically coming from a position higher than theirs (in some way) in that you're telling them about something that they didn't know before. That's my perspective on it at least, agree with me or not![]()
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Servo means service station/peterol station in Aussie.virtual_insanity said:very well said, i love nachos, god i want some right now, although they're $6 from the servo
hahahahhahaeverywomanshero said:I heard Angelus was asked for a pic of himself in a thong. He is now filing the first discussion board based sexual harassment suit. Krassus's lawyers claim he is has been framed.
Very well said!The Bad Ass Canadian said:There's a difference between proving yourself and trying to "prove yourself".
Proving yourself to others through your actions and your demeanor is an indirect way of displaying value. How you walk, talk and carry yourself will prove to them that you are a person of integrity.
Most people get caught in the trap of trying to "prove themselves" to others in direct ways and this shows a lack of personal conviction and is just weak, imo.
Lets not get these confused.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.