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Master Don Juan
Interesting thread
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
I agree with these sections of your post. As long as you are comfortable being "you" the opinions of others seldom matter outside of being a barometer on whether you are the person you are trying to emote to the world.AngelusPUA said:...I personally do not think a real man would grovel at someone else’s feet to prove their identity to him. ...
I think this is an important lesson in life though, a real man should never feel the need to prove himself to anybody. This is what seduction books teach us to do they teach us that we need to prove ourselves worthy of a women’s time. Seduction books tell us to use C+F and to use canned lines and 101 other useless techniques; this is all self destructive behavior and it is not the behavior of a man. People here pretend to be somebody they are not to prove to girls that they are worthy.
A true man does not’t need to prove himself to anybody, he knows who he is and he is comfortable with it. He does not’t pretend to be someone his not, he doesn’t try to win a girls approval a real man is pursued by women because they are naturally attracted to him, not because he uses seduction techniques...
I agree with you man I have been a bit too critical on seduction gurus in the past whilst I believe most of them have huge flaws in their personalities and one should never aspire to be like them they do give out good advice.Francisco d'Anconia said:I agree with these sections of your post. As long as you are comfortable being "you" the opinions of others seldom matter outside of being a barometer on whether you are the person you are trying to emote to the world.
This is all about being authentic, congruent in your personality and your actions. This is where I believe that self help/pickup books are a good thing if used properly. Unfortunately, these guides (and this forum) is mostly misused by guys. They want "tried and true instructions" on specifically what to say and what to do, something that they could copy as apposed to something they can learn from.
In the book "The Game" Strauss coined a name for these copycats which alludes me at the moment. But in a nutshell he inadvertently spawned a society of Style "Minnie-Me's" that spat the exact same game to every women they tried to game. There was a glut on the pickup lines, routines and actions used for sarging and it made things less than effective.
So I say learn from anything and everything that you can, books, this forum, other DJ's and PUA's. The key to your personal success is PERSONALIZING what you learn so that the things that you do are your style, not someone else's. It's a guy's uniqueness that sets him aside from his competition.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
I agree that many of the more well known gurus seem to have an ulterior motive to their purpose other than sarging women. Ross with his Napoleonic complex, Mystery with his extreme need for acceptance, Tyler with his need to constantly prove himself as Alpha, the list goes on and on.AngelusPUA said:I agree with you man I have been a bit too critical on seduction gurus in the past whilst I believe most of them have huge flaws in their personalities and one should never aspire to be like them they do give out good advice.
Randomer said:OKOK, fine well I don't care who is telling the truth, but Angelus, you must agree that nevermind any of this "proving yourself" stuff, you're going to have to do it in life... a lot. I don't see how proving things to others is considered non-manly, I love to prove points/whatever to people, plus, just think about it... if you're proving something to someone else, you're automatically coming from a position higher than theirs (in some way) in that you're telling them about something that they didn't know before. That's my perspective on it at least, agree with me or not![]()
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Servo means service station/peterol station in Aussie.virtual_insanity said:very well said, i love nachos, god i want some right now, although they're $6 from the servo
hahahahhahaeverywomanshero said:I heard Angelus was asked for a pic of himself in a thong. He is now filing the first discussion board based sexual harassment suit. Krassus's lawyers claim he is has been framed.
Very well said!The Bad Ass Canadian said:There's a difference between proving yourself and trying to "prove yourself".
Proving yourself to others through your actions and your demeanor is an indirect way of displaying value. How you walk, talk and carry yourself will prove to them that you are a person of integrity.
Most people get caught in the trap of trying to "prove themselves" to others in direct ways and this shows a lack of personal conviction and is just weak, imo.
Lets not get these confused.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.