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Proper way to leave a voicemail?

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My thing if you want to be a (PLAYER), then dont leave a voicemail & be mysterious because players dont reveal anything.

If you are not trying to be a (PLAYER) and you dont want to waste anytime then let her know your intenstions by a voicemail or text.

But i think a voicemail might be better because a woman wants to hear your voice and see where your coming from. A text might tell her that your shy.

If you do want to leave a voicemail and your nervous i think you should rehearse what your are going to say so that you dont sound like a nervouse stuttering fool.
 

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Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

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You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

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coacj said:
My thing if you want to be a (PLAYER), then dont leave a voicemail & be mysterious because players dont reveal anything....
To be a player it helps to have women wanting to hang out with you. That's a bit difficult to achieve if you don't tell them anything.
 

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No i agree you should leave a message because if you dont leave the message some women will think they are chasing the guy so they wont call back just to keep there wall from being destroyed. some women like the player mentality in a guy and there are some girls who dont, every girl is different.
 

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coacj said:
But i think a voicemail might be better because a woman wants to hear your voice and see where your coming from. A text might tell her that your shy.

If you do want to leave a voicemail and your nervous i think you should rehearse what your are going to say so that you dont sound like a nervouse stuttering fool.
Man, this thread is pulling me in different directions. I agree with a woman wanting to hear your voice, and I also think leaving the right voicemail could help you come across as confident. But like Francisco said, playing phone tag isn't very attractive either.

I think I might go for a text in this case, even though I don't want to. Based on this particular female, I think texts have had the best success rate in the past. Plus, she'll probably reply either way, unlike having to wait if she was rude and decided to not call back.
 

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in the end its what technique works best for you, if voicmalls work fr you keep it, if texting is going well then dont stop, keep going with that technique
 

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Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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text messaging is for the win, learn how to flirt using texts

simple rule: the objective of your text is to get her to smile when she reads it.


If shes the type of girl that never picks up her phone, it's much better to not leave a voicemail


I usually leave a voicemail if it's a girl who i've just met/getting to know, not so much when I've already been dating her.

If i'm already dating her I'll call, if theres no pick up then I might leave a text message.
 

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What if a girl gives you a bunch of IOIs; you # close; text her - make her laugh; she replies; and then you tell her you want to see her again and she doesn't reply?

Move on? Send her another text? What do you say in that text? In my situation I sent that text really late so it's possible she hasn't seen it, but it's been over a week.

What kind of text would you send in that situation?
 

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Kev07 said:
Treat it like you never sent that text and just call her
Even if you have never talked with the girl on the phone before?
 

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Kev07 said:
why not

though a week later she probably won't remember who you are
It was a classroom # close; so I think she will, lol.
 

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CuZzT said:
What if a girl gives you a bunch of IOIs; you # close; text her - make her laugh; she replies; and then you tell her you want to see her again and she doesn't reply?

Move on? Send her another text? What do you say in that text? In my situation I sent that text really late so it's possible she hasn't seen it, but it's been over a week.

What kind of text would you send in that situation?
She seems not interested (maybe you came on too strong, too soon) but it's also possible she didn't get the text or she's playing hard to get. You could move on, a lot of people on this site would be quick to shout "next!". But I see no harm in texting her again.

I could see how calling might be awkard since you've never talked to her on the phone before, so go with a text. If you're really feeling confident, a call might work out nicely. Either way, it couldn't hurt to try her again. I would, atleast.
 

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tsmith2334 said:
She seems not interested (maybe you came on too strong, too soon) but it's also possible she didn't get the text or she's playing hard to get. You could move on, a lot of people on this site would be quick to shout "next!". But I see no harm in texting her again.

I could see how calling might be awkard since you've never talked to her on the phone before, so go with a text. If you're really feeling confident, a call might work out nicely. Either way, it couldn't hurt to try her again. I would, atleast.
Yeah, I'm not sure with this girl. I would probably rather text - but I don't know what to say? Any ideas?
 

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Didn't Rollo post a thread about guys using technology as a buffer for rejection? :whistle:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Didn't Rollo post a thread about guys using technology as a buffer for rejection? :whistle:
I'm sure in some instances it is, but like muscleman said, it is 2008. Some people, including attractive females, prefer texting when making plans. Just the way of the world I guess. I think it lacks a personal feel, so I try to avoid it, but I guess in some cases it makes sense.
 

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tsmith2334 said:
I'm sure in some instances it is, but like muscleman said, it is 2008. Some people, including attractive females, prefer texting when making plans. Just the way of the world I guess. I think it lacks a personal feel, so I try to avoid it, but I guess in some cases it makes sense.
Even though it's 2008, this isn't the 1990's when there were just digital pagers to send text messages back and forth. People are buying phones to send primarily text messages back and forth. It just seems a bit silly.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Even though it's 2008, this isn't the 1990's when there were just digital pagers to send text messages back and forth. People are buying phones to send primarily text messages back and forth. It just seems a bit silly.
Ah I agree completely. If you check my original post, I say texting (even leaving a voicemail) is a last resort. I don't like it nor do I really trust it.

What I think is really wierd is when I make plans with a female (in person, over the phone, whatever), and she confirms or sets up details with a text.

Could this possibly be a sign of nervousnes, an IOI or sign of disinterest? In other words, plan are set, things are about to be in motion, but she doesn't feel comfortable picking up the phone for whatever reason. I wouldn't think it means anything, but you never know.
 

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...Could this possibly be a sign of nervousnes, an IOI or sign of disinterest? In other words, plan are set, things are about to be in motion, but she doesn't feel comfortable picking up the phone for whatever reason. I wouldn't think it means anything, but you never know.
I think you have a point about the nervousness thing in that people seem so uneasy with having conversations with people they don't know. People would rather spend a couple of minutes typing an email or sending a text and waiting for an answer instead of just calling the person, asking a question getting an answer and hanging up. I think it could be done in 15-20 seconds. Are we too busy for that but we will play text-tag with each other for several minutes out of the day?
 

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You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

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