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Attraction runs on a clock.

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The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

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Proper way to leave a voicemail?

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I'm not big on voicemails but I'm preparing to use one in the upcoming days as a last resort. The girl in question doesn't pick up her phone often, and it's not a thing personal thing either, I've noticed sometimes she won't respond to even her closest friends.

Anyway, I want a leave voicemail, I'm just not exactly sure what to say. I know to be brief and to the point, I'm just not sure how brief.

Should I say, "hey [her name].. it's tim, call me back" and leave a little mystery. Or should I reveal my intentions and say "hey [her name].. it's tim, i was wondering if you wanted to get dinner tonight, let me know"...

Or are voicemails a big no no all together? Thanks for the advice.
 

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Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Don't reveal your intentions. THAT'S the no no.

You said to be brief and to the point...Half true. Here again, don't reveal your intentions. Make her want to call you back.

Be mysterious at all costs and DON'T leave a second voicemail. Then you'll look like a stalker.
 

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Thanks for the advice... I think I will use it.

The only problem is, I think she kinda knows I want to take her out to dinner. So trying to be mysterious might be a mute point. Still, I assume it's better then revealing my intentions in the voicemail.

Anyone else have tips or experience?
 

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tsmith2334 said:
Thanks for the advice... I think I will use it.

The only problem is, I think she kind of knows I want to take her out to dinner. So trying to be mysterious might be a mute point. Still, I assume it's better then revealing my intentions in the voicemail.

Anyone else have tips or experience?
Damn right! If she's really attracted to you, she's waiting for you to make a move. At this point, being mysterious is redundant. It can actually cause the girl to reject herself and all attraction will be lost.

Strike while the iron's hot!
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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muscleman said:
Why not just send her a text?
If so, do this ONE TIME, and no more! Otherwise, disaster. I don't have text anyway. Text ain't no good way to get romantic.
 

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nismo-4 said:
Damn right! If she's really attracted to you, she's waiting for you to make a move. At this point, being mysterious is redundant. It can actually cause the girl to reject herself and all attraction will be lost.

Strike while the iron's hot!
Ahh, I'm confused now! Do you think it would it best to say I want to take her out in the voicemail or just tell her to call me back?
 

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tsmith2334 said:
Ahh, I'm confused now! Do you think it would it best to say I want to take her out in the voicemail or just tell her to call me back?
tell her to call back...'nuff said.
 

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tsmith2334 said:
Ahh, I'm confused now! Do you think it would it best to say I want to take her out in the voicemail or just tell her to call me back?
Call back...'nuff said.
 

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You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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It's very apparent why guys get pissed off waiting around for a woman to return your call and she never does. You guys don't give them any reason to call want to call you back.
 

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nismo-4 said:
If so, do this ONE TIME, and no more! Otherwise, disaster. I don't have text anyway. Text ain't no good way to get romantic.
Of course you'd only text her once, just like you'd call only once.

Text ain't no good? What rock you been sleepin under!??

I do 95% of my communicating via text. Get with it, it's almost 2008. Text is superior to a phone convo in every possible way - you don't have to think quick, you have time to compose something short, sweet, and to the point, and your chance of fvcking up is almost nil. The only time I ever call a girl is a) to set up plans that involve lots of information cause it would take too long via text or b) if there's an urgent reason to do so and I can't wait for her to reply to a text (rarely happens).

And like Francisco said, if you're gonna call and leave a voicemail, there has to be a reason for her to call you back. Voicemails are BS. They put the ball in the girl's court EVERY TIME. Unless she has really high IL in you, it's pointless. I don't remember the last time I left a girl I was interested in a voicemail.
 

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Well, first of all if you leave a vm you actually have time to think about what you are going to say, just like a text. What is it you want to convey to the girl? You want to take her out because you want a lay? You want to check her out to see if she is cool? You want to try a social experiment on her?

Remember that how you say things is much more important than how you say it.

Then, put yourself in her head for a minute. Is what you are saying enough to get the message across?
 

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The difference between a voicemail and a text:

1) voicemail is just that .. VOICE. you better make sure your tone is up to par. also anything rehearsed rarely comes out sounding good. just like you said "how" you say is way more important than "what" you say. not a problem with texts

2) you don't know for a fact that you'll get a voicemail. she might actually pick up *gasp* and then what?!?!?

lol

seriously though just pick one and do it
 

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Guys, is it really this difficult? :confused:
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Don't send her a text message back and do not leave a voice mail. Be mysterious, she will wonder why you called, and she will call you back. It's not very hard to do completely nothing!
Your time is valuable, and you don't have time to leave a message.
 

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muscleman said:
Of course you'd only text her once, just like you'd call only once.

Text ain't no good? What rock you been sleepin under!??

I do 95% of my communicating via text. Get with it, it's almost 2008. Text is superior to a phone convo in every possible way - you don't have to think quick, you have time to compose something short, sweet, and to the point, and your chance of fvcking up is almost nil. The only time I ever call a girl is a) to set up plans that involve lots of information cause it would take too long via text or b) if there's an urgent reason to do so and I can't wait for her to reply to a text (rarely happens).

And like Francisco said, if you're gonna call and leave a voicemail, there has to be a reason for her to call you back. Voicemails are BS. They put the ball in the girl's court EVERY TIME. Unless she has really high IL in you, it's pointless. I don't remember the last time I left a girl I was interested in a voicemail.
You might have sold me on texts messages. I think I might go the text route in this case. She seems pretty responsive to them, moreso then when people call atleast.

Personally, I don't like using texts because I feel they aren't very personal and I think they show you lack the confidence to pick up the phone and call to make plans. Does anyone else feel this way?
 

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tsmith2334 said:
You might have sold me on texts messages. I think I might go the text route in this case. She seems pretty responsive to them, moreso then when people call atleast.

Personally, I don't like using texts because I feel they aren't very personal and I think they show you lack the confidence to pick up the phone and call to make plans. Does anyone else feel this way?
no i don't feel that way, it's just a modern way to communicate. i rarely talk to anyone on the phone who isn't family (it's to the point i won't even answer my phone). my friends and girls almost always get nothing but text messages from me. i don't think it shows a lack of confidence at all, it's just the way i choose to communicate with them.
 

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spiff said:
I say no message until you talk to her at least once!
We've talked plenty of times before, she's a friend. (No, I'm not in the friend zone, I avoid that by not getting too personal/close or talking to her too often)
I took her out recently, I'm trying to follow up with something. I'll probably send her a text, it worked last time.
 

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When a girl says she\'ll call you, chances are she\'ll conveniently forget about it.
True, you know why? Like I said earlier, guys don't give women a reason for them to call back! I get a call like this from a woman and she goes onto the bottom of my list or at least until after I'm not busy doing other things.

By the time I do get around to returning her call I could be too tired to get together, her loss. There's more than enough people out there with real plans that I can decide to participate with rather than playing tag with a woman who won't even tell me why she's calling.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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