Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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Proper way to leave a voicemail?

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I'm not big on voicemails but I'm preparing to use one in the upcoming days as a last resort. The girl in question doesn't pick up her phone often, and it's not a thing personal thing either, I've noticed sometimes she won't respond to even her closest friends.

Anyway, I want a leave voicemail, I'm just not exactly sure what to say. I know to be brief and to the point, I'm just not sure how brief.

Should I say, "hey [her name].. it's tim, call me back" and leave a little mystery. Or should I reveal my intentions and say "hey [her name].. it's tim, i was wondering if you wanted to get dinner tonight, let me know"...

Or are voicemails a big no no all together? Thanks for the advice.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Don't reveal your intentions. THAT'S the no no.

You said to be brief and to the point...Half true. Here again, don't reveal your intentions. Make her want to call you back.

Be mysterious at all costs and DON'T leave a second voicemail. Then you'll look like a stalker.
 

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Thanks for the advice... I think I will use it.

The only problem is, I think she kinda knows I want to take her out to dinner. So trying to be mysterious might be a mute point. Still, I assume it's better then revealing my intentions in the voicemail.

Anyone else have tips or experience?
 

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tsmith2334 said:
Thanks for the advice... I think I will use it.

The only problem is, I think she kind of knows I want to take her out to dinner. So trying to be mysterious might be a mute point. Still, I assume it's better then revealing my intentions in the voicemail.

Anyone else have tips or experience?
Damn right! If she's really attracted to you, she's waiting for you to make a move. At this point, being mysterious is redundant. It can actually cause the girl to reject herself and all attraction will be lost.

Strike while the iron's hot!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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muscleman said:
Why not just send her a text?
If so, do this ONE TIME, and no more! Otherwise, disaster. I don't have text anyway. Text ain't no good way to get romantic.
 

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nismo-4 said:
Damn right! If she's really attracted to you, she's waiting for you to make a move. At this point, being mysterious is redundant. It can actually cause the girl to reject herself and all attraction will be lost.

Strike while the iron's hot!
Ahh, I'm confused now! Do you think it would it best to say I want to take her out in the voicemail or just tell her to call me back?
 

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tsmith2334 said:
Ahh, I'm confused now! Do you think it would it best to say I want to take her out in the voicemail or just tell her to call me back?
tell her to call back...'nuff said.
 

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tsmith2334 said:
Ahh, I'm confused now! Do you think it would it best to say I want to take her out in the voicemail or just tell her to call me back?
Call back...'nuff said.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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It's very apparent why guys get pissed off waiting around for a woman to return your call and she never does. You guys don't give them any reason to call want to call you back.
 

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nismo-4 said:
If so, do this ONE TIME, and no more! Otherwise, disaster. I don't have text anyway. Text ain't no good way to get romantic.
Of course you'd only text her once, just like you'd call only once.

Text ain't no good? What rock you been sleepin under!??

I do 95% of my communicating via text. Get with it, it's almost 2008. Text is superior to a phone convo in every possible way - you don't have to think quick, you have time to compose something short, sweet, and to the point, and your chance of fvcking up is almost nil. The only time I ever call a girl is a) to set up plans that involve lots of information cause it would take too long via text or b) if there's an urgent reason to do so and I can't wait for her to reply to a text (rarely happens).

And like Francisco said, if you're gonna call and leave a voicemail, there has to be a reason for her to call you back. Voicemails are BS. They put the ball in the girl's court EVERY TIME. Unless she has really high IL in you, it's pointless. I don't remember the last time I left a girl I was interested in a voicemail.
 

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Well, first of all if you leave a vm you actually have time to think about what you are going to say, just like a text. What is it you want to convey to the girl? You want to take her out because you want a lay? You want to check her out to see if she is cool? You want to try a social experiment on her?

Remember that how you say things is much more important than how you say it.

Then, put yourself in her head for a minute. Is what you are saying enough to get the message across?
 

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The difference between a voicemail and a text:

1) voicemail is just that .. VOICE. you better make sure your tone is up to par. also anything rehearsed rarely comes out sounding good. just like you said "how" you say is way more important than "what" you say. not a problem with texts

2) you don't know for a fact that you'll get a voicemail. she might actually pick up *gasp* and then what?!?!?

lol

seriously though just pick one and do it
 

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Guys, is it really this difficult? :confused:
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Don't send her a text message back and do not leave a voice mail. Be mysterious, she will wonder why you called, and she will call you back. It's not very hard to do completely nothing!
Your time is valuable, and you don't have time to leave a message.
 

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muscleman said:
Of course you'd only text her once, just like you'd call only once.

Text ain't no good? What rock you been sleepin under!??

I do 95% of my communicating via text. Get with it, it's almost 2008. Text is superior to a phone convo in every possible way - you don't have to think quick, you have time to compose something short, sweet, and to the point, and your chance of fvcking up is almost nil. The only time I ever call a girl is a) to set up plans that involve lots of information cause it would take too long via text or b) if there's an urgent reason to do so and I can't wait for her to reply to a text (rarely happens).

And like Francisco said, if you're gonna call and leave a voicemail, there has to be a reason for her to call you back. Voicemails are BS. They put the ball in the girl's court EVERY TIME. Unless she has really high IL in you, it's pointless. I don't remember the last time I left a girl I was interested in a voicemail.
You might have sold me on texts messages. I think I might go the text route in this case. She seems pretty responsive to them, moreso then when people call atleast.

Personally, I don't like using texts because I feel they aren't very personal and I think they show you lack the confidence to pick up the phone and call to make plans. Does anyone else feel this way?
 

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tsmith2334 said:
You might have sold me on texts messages. I think I might go the text route in this case. She seems pretty responsive to them, moreso then when people call atleast.

Personally, I don't like using texts because I feel they aren't very personal and I think they show you lack the confidence to pick up the phone and call to make plans. Does anyone else feel this way?
no i don't feel that way, it's just a modern way to communicate. i rarely talk to anyone on the phone who isn't family (it's to the point i won't even answer my phone). my friends and girls almost always get nothing but text messages from me. i don't think it shows a lack of confidence at all, it's just the way i choose to communicate with them.
 

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spiff said:
I say no message until you talk to her at least once!
We've talked plenty of times before, she's a friend. (No, I'm not in the friend zone, I avoid that by not getting too personal/close or talking to her too often)
I took her out recently, I'm trying to follow up with something. I'll probably send her a text, it worked last time.
 

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Wolf said:
When a girl says she\'ll call you, chances are she\'ll conveniently forget about it.
True, you know why? Like I said earlier, guys don't give women a reason for them to call back! I get a call like this from a woman and she goes onto the bottom of my list or at least until after I'm not busy doing other things.

By the time I do get around to returning her call I could be too tired to get together, her loss. There's more than enough people out there with real plans that I can decide to participate with rather than playing tag with a woman who won't even tell me why she's calling.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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