Proof that professional athletes are the stupidest people on earth

[MikeYikes122]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3368139

 

[HandyAndy]

Brett Favre isnt stupid...

 

[MikeYikes122]

No, but he is overrated.

I just don't understand how any professional athlete would ever think it is a good idea to go on a radio show and publicly talk about how he likes to get high during the summer. Even all throughout that interview, the radio hosts are urging him to back off of what he is saying. Listen to the clips, they keep bringing up the fact that they are talking about getting high at Howard's request.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I think most nba players smoke pot. I bet between a third and half of them are high while they play.

I saw a game once, where the team suddenly stopped, waited, called a timeout with precisely 4:20 left on the clock, and then they all laughed hysterically and high-fived each other, after looking at the time left on the clock. nba pot use has never been discreet.

 

[HandyAndy]

I think alot of athletes smoke pot. Football players too, they dont have to be public about it, this dude you mentioned is just an idiot for doing so.

 

[Wiesman44]

Brett Favre isnt stupid...

Brett who ? Never heard of him

 

[backbreaker]

I'm in NA.

Here is my/our viewpoint on drugs.

Take Cocaine. Cocaine itself isn't a problem. the drug has been used for thousands of years, even now there are people who can stop using when they start.

I'm not one of those people. I have a "diease" that makes me different from most people, in the sense that when I "put one in me", you don't hear from me for days/weeks at a time. All I think about is getting more and more until my body passes out from lack of sleep. Therefore there is no middle of the road solution. I HAVE to obstain fro using the drug to maintain a successful life. Because i can't fool myself and say I can just use one time

same with weed. I don't smoke weed, but thee are people who can use and can stop. However, the problem with drugs, is that most addicts don't even know or realize that they are addicts. I wouldn't have, even with all my ****, called myself an addict until I went to an NA meeting and learned what an addict is. society has this pre concieved notion of an addict, walking the street at 2 oclock at night lookign for a next hit.. and yes it gets that bad.

But here is a real defination.. if you can't use because of legal/family/financial/social reasons... But you CAN'T STOP using the drug...

If you want to stop using, but can't stop using...

if you are in the NBA making 7 million dollars a year and you can't obstain from using a drug until you are out of the NBA.... if a drug is worth the possible risk of millions of dollars to you.

let me ask you... all drugs are mind altering.. so the real question is, why are you wanting to alter your mind that bad? why can't you just live life on life's terms like normal people? Becuase what he is really saying is he can't go a full year without putting some mind altering substance in his body.

But most addicts, and ESPICALLY MARIJUINA ADDICTS.. becauase "it's just a herb", and "it's not as bad as cocaine" and "it doesn't do any real damage"... don't think they are addicts or don't think there is a problem.

and I'd be lying if I said it had the same effect as meth or cocaine or herion. it doesn't.

But I can take anyone to my next NA meeting (tonight), full of cocaine, crack, meth, herion, pill junike addicts, and I promise you, becuase I see it literarly everyday, most start out with Weed, it's the ultimate gateway drug. And while right now you say you wouldn't try cocaine or even crack, when you have been smoking weed all day and someone comes to you and says try this, this will **** you up, you aren't really thinking with a clear mind, and all it takes is one good hit, espically of crack.


anyway, i'll get off my soap box. But IMHO a man that can't stop smoking weed unitl he is retired from the NBA and feels hehas to hold on to his weed smoking THAT bad, is in fact, an addict.

 

[backbreaker]

stop hearing the BS I hear? i LIVE IT.

I am an addict. i go to groups, usually 7 hours worth a week, and hear story after story.

you might not be an addict. i'm not classifying you as anything. but open up and listen to somewhere a little older than you that knows a thing or two about addiction.


Yes, he gets high. if he can stop, he's not an addict. it's that simple. if he can't stop, he's an addict.

I go to groups, I do something to do with drug addiction everyday of the week, weither it be meetings, talk to my sponser, read a book, volenteer here or there, whatever, hear story after story, seen with my own two eyes too many times someone coming into NA with a meth/coke problem and think "man I can just smoke weed" and they end up coming back months later off a full blown relaspe into their original drug of choice, only this time worse because they were told from jump street what to do but they didn't listen or want to...

and you probably what.. seen a documentory here and smoke here or there? you aren't talkign to someone who read a book on drugs and thinks he can talk to people

or someone who used to smoke back in the day on weekends and has given it up

or someone who thinks he is above using drugs and that "drugs are bad"

i am a full blown drug addict

I CAN'T BE ANYMore clearer than that. I don't use drugs. I ABUSE the living **** out of them. and I"m not saying that to be funny. I'd lock myself in the house with enough dope that woud get me locked away for life if the police came in my house. people were so worried about me my ex oneitis damn near busted in my house and had to flush all my drug parphanialia down the toliet and take me to a detox center, against my will might I add, becuase "there was nothing wrong with me, I just liked cocaine/crack".. And Ic ould stop when I wanted. I mean I didn't do it everyday. I was a successful person. I'm not an addict.

But when I honestly TRIED to stop and I ended up right back in the same situtation, I didn't then even think I was an addict.. but I knew I had a problem.

all i"m saying man, is that I'm not the one to run that line on. you can't bull**** a bull****ter and in NA I've heard every possible excuse there is known to mankind as far as drugs are concerned and just HOW they ende dup there and how they aren't like me/us/everyone else and how they really aren't addicts.


you didn't read my post and jumped off at the mouth.

YOU SMOKING doesn't make you an addict. not once did I say that. however, if it ever comes to the point where you HAVE to stop and you CAN'T stop, then you do have a problem.

My very own dad smokes weed and drinks. But when he got a DUI he stopped drinking and has'nt started again. he isn't an addict. he smokes a joint from time to time, and I have all the confidence in the world that if he had to stop, if he were on probation or it were putting a financial strain on him, or he stopped caring about his job, then yes, he could stop.



I know i'm an addict because my first child is about to be born here anyday now and even NOW there are times where I want to go and find some. However, now Ik now how to deal with it and back then it used to be an obsession,w here i literarly could not think of anything else but getting some dope, and now it's a thought, one that i can play out to the end of the seneiro, that ends up in me passed out from exhustion with family/friends knocking on the door and me feeling like ****.


I can't diagnose you, Josh Howard, or anyone else as an addict. Just like no one could diagnose myself as one. only you can diagnose yourself. That's the first step in the 12 steps.. Come to admit that you are powerless over your drug of choice and that your life has become unmanagable. Not have someone tell you that your powerless or that your life is unmageable

there is no way a person will work the steps unless they get pass that first step, not becuase someone wants them to, but because they realize that they are in fact, powerless over this drug.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I have seen hard-core meth addicts, guys who shoot up every day, get OFF of meth by getting ON pot. After they smoke good bud, they get too lazy to chase after meth. For them, pot is a gateway drug - the gateway to getting off harder drugs.

The government's "gateway" theory is scare-tactic bvllsh!t. Most junkies started with beer and cigarettes just as much as pot. There is nothing wrong with smoking pot, so we have to invent something bad about it - it will make you do something else that is bad.

How many of us here will have no caffeine or sugar today? Those are drugs, too.

Backbreaker, I am honestly happy for you that you are more in control of your life. But those na people are a cult, too. Their methods work by vilifying drugs as evil substances. I never agreed with that idea. I don't think a substance can be moral or immoral. It is just a substance. Like a gun, some people can handle it, and some cannot.

AA has been criticized for its Christian influence. Is NA the same way? Is it just not like that in your chapter because you live on the Left Coast?

 

[backbreaker]

I have seen hard-core meth addicts, guys who shoot up every day, get OFF of meth by getting ON pot. After they smoke good bud, they get too lazy to chase after meth. For them, pot is a gateway drug - the gateway to getting off harder drugs.

The government's "gateway" theory is scare-tactic bvllsh!t. Most junkies started with beer and cigarettes just as much as pot. There is nothing wrong with smoking pot, so we have to invent something bad about it - it will make you do something else that is bad.

How many of us here will have no caffeine or sugar today? Those are drugs, too.

Backbreaker, I am honestly happy for you that you are more in control of your life. But those na people are a cult, too. Their methods work by vilifying drugs as evil substances. I never agreed with that idea. I don't think a substance can be moral or immoral. It is just a substance. Like a gun, some people can handle it, and some cannot.

AA has been criticized for its Christian influence. Is NA the same way? Is it just not like that in your chapter because you live on the Left Coast?

come on now bible belt, you of all people know better than to sterotype.

First of all let me say that I know what you are talking about becuase I see it everyday. Aa/NA/CA is no different than anywhere else. You have some people there for the wrong reasons. I know alot of guys with 10 years who think they are demi gods and go just because they are attention *****s and like the auora that surrounds that whole..."thing". NA/CA is their life.

But to say that it's a cult is just jibberish and I think you know that is true. It has some coltish qualities.. meeting everyday, sometimes more than once. I don't like it. God no. wlel it's not that bad actually. But I have other things (and a certain pregant female) I would rather be doing. But you know what I really woudln't rather be doing? Getting ****ed up.

I used to go to 2 meetings a day when i started. I needed it. After that, I went down to about a meeting a day. Now I go to about 3 or 4 a week. I don't have to have a meeting everyday, i'm past that point.


you are right where I shouldnt' have said that about weed. that came out wrong and you are actually 100% correct.

But you have alot, alot of misconceptions about NA/AA/CA. for crist's sake i'm an athiest if there ever was one and I'm in NA. it's not a religion or a cult or antyhing of that matter. While I do agree, the worst evangeloist is newly reformed drunk, i see it everyday... even had a guy; with less clean time than myself, a hell of alot less (and I'm at almost 2 years now) tell me if If I don't accecpt god I will not only use again, I will burn in hell. in the middle of a meeting no less. but you take what it is ment for you and leave th rest. the founder of AA was agnostic/borderline athiest and his co founder was a stone cold athiest.

there are some things I don't agree with.. I dont' go to meetings held inside churches. I don't go to ones that revolve TOO much around "god".. all have it to some extent but some you can't say a word unless it has to do with god.

heir methods work by vilifying drugs as evil substances. I never agreed with that idea. I don't think a substance can be moral or immoral.

umm. no. And this isn't your fault. These are people who just like with religion, who get in a group and put their own spin on crap and it gets passed though word of mouth.

the "big book" or the AA book,which I read if not daily, damn near, states as clear as the day is bright "

from "there is a solution, chapter 2"

How many time people have said to us: "I can take it or leave it alone. Why can't he?" "Why don't you drink like a gentleman or quit?" "That fellow can't handle his liquor." "Why don't you try beer and wine?" "Lay off the hard stuff." "His will power must be weak." "He could stop if he wanted to." "She's such a sweet girl, I should think he'd stop for her sake." "The doctor told him that if he ever drank again it would kill him, but there he is all lit up again."
Now these are commonplace observations on drinkers which we hear all the time. Back of them is a world of ignorance and misunderstanding. We see that these expressions refer to people whose reactions are very different from ours.
Moderate drinkers have little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if they have good reason for it. They can take it or leave it alone.

Then we have a certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit badly enough to gradually impair him physically and mentally. It may cause him to die a few years before his time. If a sufficiently strong reason ill health, falling in love, change of environment, or the warning of a doctor becomes operative, this man can also stop or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome and may even need medical attention.

But what about the real alcoholic? He may start off as a moderate drinker; he may or may not become a continuous hard drinker; but at some stage of his drinking career he begins to lose all control of his liquor consumption, once he starts to drink.

what you don't seem to get what I am saying is that you are confusing a moderate "drinker" with someone like me, who is a stone cold drug addict. no where in the big book does it say drugs are BAD and EVIL things. In fact, in most meetings i go to, we all admit, if we could do drugs, without the consequences, we WOULDN'T BE HERE! it's not the drug. it's the consequences of using the drug that is kicking our ass.

From more about alcholism

Despite all we can say, many who are real alcoholics are not going to believe they are in that class. By every form of self- deception and experimentation, they will try to prove themselves exceptions to the rule, therefore nonalcoholic. If anyone who is showing inability to control his drinking can do the right-about- face and drink like a gentleman, our hats are off to him. Heaven knows, we have tried hard enough and long enough to drink like other people!

maybe you have stopped. maybe you can. I can't speak for you. I couldn't stop withotu some form of outside help. I tried just using cocaine, just using on weekends, limting my amount of use, just using by myself, just using around other people, i thought that when I m oved I just would not want to use anymore, I even tried the freakin I-Doser thing online hoping it would give me enough of a buzz to not want to use again. that's how sick I was.


you will not that everything I said comes verbatium out of hte big book. I'm a big book scholar

 

[backbreaker]

We do not like to pronounce any individual as alcoholic, but you can quickly diagnose yourself, step over to the nearest barroom and try some controlled drinking. Try to drink and stop abruptly. Try it more than once. It will not take long for you to decide, if you are honest with yourself about it. It may be worth a bad case of jitters if you get a full knowledge of your condition.

like I told the OP, I can't tell you that you are a drug addict, only you can tell that for yourself. anyone who tries to tell you that you are an addict is not working the AA program, they are working some program they came up with themselves. they don't have a real understanding of how it works and the 12 traditions of NA/AA, that put principles over personality..a person who is telling you that you are an addict is putting personality over principles.

Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.

that is the 12th tradition of AA/NA. There is no preaching, or at least there is not suppsed to be. I have a friend who In my opinion.. well not a friend. An associate of my GF's brother, who I think might have a probelm with drinking. I asked him to come to a meeting with me, but that's it. who am I to pass judgement.. i'm a crackhead!

if he doesn't want to come, that's fine.

no where in the program does it say m ake people come and force it down your throat.. in fact.. from working with others

f he thinks he can do the job in some other way, or prefers some other spiritual apiproach, encourage him to follow his own conscience.

the only thing I am concerned about is not picking up a pipe or rolling up a dollar bill. that is IT. i don't give a damn what god you believe in, I dont' care if you can do so off of sheer will power, as long as you DO IT (THAT IS IF YOU ARE ADDICTED)

 

[LostAndConfused]

You guys want to know whats REALLY sad? My cousin at UC Berkley has a football player in one of his classes who can't even read.

 

[Bible_Belt]

ok, I just wondered. When I was a stockbroker trainee, the broker I trained under was in AA, but every time he talked about it, all I heard was "God this" and "Jesus that," and then I would stop listening. It sounded like a church group. He never went to church, though. AA was church for him.

That broker was just a weak man. He got over the booze, but he was an afc and had a psycho gf who would occasionally come in the office screaming and throwing things at him. That was entertaining and broke up the monotony of cold-calling. He also got really fat after he stopped drinking, just substituted junk food for booze. AA got him off alcohol, but I think his problem was an overall lack of strength as a person. I don't think his life got much better after he quit drinking. Being a booze junkie was more of an effect than a cause of his problems. The man just needed some personal strength.

 

[FireOnTheMountain]

There's a football player at my university who doesn't know how to sign his own name. He needs help spelling it sometimes. No kidding.

 

[i am me]

lol damn

but sports are like any other job. u cant stereotype athletes into one single category because theyre all unique, like any other person. its just that when they do things like this, its blown out of proportion because theyre famous

 

[Killer_Demo]

smokin some chron aint nothin.....now if he was coked up playing then we should pull the red flag....ppl need to pull their head out their arse

 

[backbreaker]

ok, I just wondered. When I was a stockbroker trainee, the broker I trained under was in AA, but every time he talked about it, all I heard was "God this" and "Jesus that," and then I would stop listening. It sounded like a church group. He never went to church, though. AA was church for him.

That broker was just a weak man. He got over the booze, but he was an afc and had a psycho gf who would occasionally come in the office screaming and throwing things at him. That was entertaining and broke up the monotony of cold-calling. He also got really fat after he stopped drinking, just substituted junk food for booze. AA got him off alcohol, but I think his problem was an overall lack of strength as a person. I don't think his life got much better after he quit drinking. Being a booze junkie was more of an effect than a cause of his problems. The man just needed some personal strength.

I will repeat... nothing is wrose than a reformed drunk that has found god. NOTHING. and I literarly mean that.

I get into it all the time with AA and NA people for this reason. you can't force your god down someones throat. not only can you NOT do it, the Big book says you can't do it, the NA book says you can't do it, hel lthe founder himself wasn't even a christian! yet people do it.

But that's Christans in general. They are natural evanglist. I tell someone now.. unless you have read a book on athiesm just like I have read your book on christanity, you can't debate me or talk to me about God, you haven't earned the right. and that usually ends all arguements. usually, not always.sometimes someone will be presistant on how I am going to hell.. well I wont' get into that, that's not what this post is about.

My bigger issue, is that the big book says you have to have a power greater than yourself... for me that is my group. without my sponser and my group i'm liable to fool myself into going back out.. at least now. but for alot of people that of course is god.

okay, that's fine and dandy. but people say "ask and ye shall receive" and that all you have to do, after 10-20-sometimes 30 years of hard drug use, is have "faith" and all will be fine.

Well, that's fine if the god of your understanding is a Theist God, one like Yahweh, Allah or any other popular god. But what if you worship a Diest God? one that honestly doesn't give a flying fvck? what good does faith do?

Step 6 says ask god (as you understand him of course :crazy to remove all of your shortcomings.. what if you serve a diest god that doesn't care about your short comings?

And if you have been using for a hell of alon gtime.. what makes you think tha tjust because you ASK that he will DO?

So I have my issues with AA pushing religion (some of the people) down people's throat... you get a zealous christan and a new found sense of life, and **** is going to hit the fan. But I won't use that as a reason to walk out of a meeting.

your friend does not have a productive soberity. I always tell people, if you are clean and sober but you aren't doing anything but going ot meetings 7 days a week 3 times a day.. what is the piont? I mean in the beginning yes, yo u might need it, depending on how dependant you were. but after 1-2-5 years.. the fruits are in your life, your actions and your relationships with people. I don't think he is working the steps in the way that they are intended to be worked.

that is what scares me about the relgious drunk.. they get so caught up in the religious part of it, they forget the RESt of it.

 

[MikeYikes122]

But that's Christans in general. They are natural evanglist.

That is a dumb generalization, but I'm not going to touch it because a thread about Josh Howard doesn't need to turn into a debate about theism.

Anyway, back to my OP. Howard isn't stupid for getting high. I don't even have a problem with him ripping his bong during the season. Like he says, most NBA players do.

Howard is a retard for going on a nationally syndicated radio program and openly admitting that he smokes weed - something that is still illegal. And on top of that, the radio hosts are practically telling him to stop.

 

[backbreaker]

That is a dumb generalization, but I'm not going to touch it because a thread about Josh Howard doesn't need to turn into a debate about theism.

Anyway, back to my OP. Howard isn't stupid for getting high. I don't even have a problem with him ripping his bong during the season. Like he says, most NBA players do.

Howard is a retard for going on a nationally syndicated radio program and openly admitting that he smokes weed - something that is still illegal. And on top of that, the radio hosts are practically telling him to stop.

No, I meant that literarly. A good christain is tought from a very early age to always spread the word of god. That is not a dumb geleralzation, evangalisim is the backbone of christainty.

A good Christan is tought 1) his or her religion is the ultimate truth and that 2) if you do not accecpt the word of god, their god, you will go to hell. plain and simple. therefore it's only right to save your life, and the only way to do so is to spread the word to you, the non believer.

Therefore you are at a quandrum with christans. it just IS. it's not right. not wrong. notice I didn't say that evangalism is wrong. it just IS.

 

[MikeYikes122]

No, I meant that literarly. A good christain is tought from a very early age to always spread the word of god. That is not a dumb geleralzation, evangalisim is the backbone of christainty.

Evangelism isn't the backbone of Christianity. You could make an argument that spreading the word of God is, but that is completely different. The way you phrased it, you made it sound like Christians are forcing their religion people.

I went to Catholic school for 14 years and there were a number non-Catholics in my grade, even a Jewish kid. Never once were any of them told they had to pick up our religion or go to hell.

A good Christan is tought 1) his or her religion is the ultimate truth and that 2) if you do not accecpt the word of god, their god, you will go to hell. plain and simple. therefore it's only right to save your life, and the only way to do so is to spread the word to you, the non believer.

Therefore you are at a quandrum with christans. it just IS. it's not right. not wrong. notice I didn't say that evangalism is wrong. it just IS.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You might be right in saying that most Christians believe their religion is the "ultimate truth" (though I don't think that). But you are completely wrong about Christians thinking everyone who doesn't believe the word of God is doomed to hell. The underlying idea of Christianity isn't "evangelism" or whatever the hell you tried to say before, it's that everyone is saved in the end and that God has everlasting mercy. That's why there are ideas of Purgatory and original sin.

Sure, Christians might get taught that their religion is the "ultimate truth", but what religion doesn't subscribe to that kind of thought? What a dumb argument on your behalf.

I get so fvcking sick of this web site some time. It seems like the number of angry, uneducated and overly-opinionated "atheists" outnumber the DJs. Admitting that you actually believe in God on here is looked down upon more than admitting you're an AFC.

Sorry, but you don't know what the hell you are talking about backbreaker. I didn't want to have this discussion with you because I have respect for other people's religious beliefs (just as most Christians do, by the way). But you made me go there, and I think you're better off not trying to debate these kinds of subjects with anyone in the future because you rely mostly on bad generalizations instead of actual Biblical proof.

Anyway, this thread is going to get locked, but I'm glad you got to hear about how wrong you are.