"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Post your system that works for you
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
dustmuffin
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logicallefty
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- I have a low sex drive, so I don't have to put a lot of effort in finding poon
- Whenever I make contact with any possible female prospect, I pour on humor. I make humor out of anything and everything.. Humor is out there everywhere once you know where to find it. And it doesnt have to be something bad about someone, I just make humor out of life's daily events good or bad...
- I make my interests/intentions known. I get the number fast.
- Once I get number I text. Not big on the call. I text. More humor. I make humor out of anything she says. I also don't respond immediately to every text.
- Once I ask to meet, she either better say YES or NO+counter offer. If neither, NC starts immediately.. And her texts responses if not YES originally go from funny, to, short one word/one line at the most, answers.. (good strategy fellas, once she is used to all your texts being funny and all the sudden they get serious and short, she knows your IL in her is fading, and she will try to fix it) She will start chasing you!!
- When we meet, the humor continues.. If all is going well, I go for the kiss close in the middle, I don't wait until we are both heading for home... A couple hours and a lot of good talk, leave one place, she gets a kiss in the parking lot before we head to the second place..Then we hold hands the rest of the night...
- All goes naturally from there... If I feel its going bad, I will end the night before she does..
- I have had sex on first night many times, but I never plan to.....
- Usually I just have a good make out session and introduce some b00bies to my great mouth.. Get her all hot and bothered with that and my fingers on her lower mommy parts.. enough to let her know what I can do later but dont do it...
_ Scoring the second meeting is rarely a problem at this point... And its rare that I don't fvck on the second date if i have let it get to that point, very, very rare...
And now you know, the LEFT of the story..... lol
- Whenever I make contact with any possible female prospect, I pour on humor. I make humor out of anything and everything.. Humor is out there everywhere once you know where to find it. And it doesnt have to be something bad about someone, I just make humor out of life's daily events good or bad...
- I make my interests/intentions known. I get the number fast.
- Once I get number I text. Not big on the call. I text. More humor. I make humor out of anything she says. I also don't respond immediately to every text.
- Once I ask to meet, she either better say YES or NO+counter offer. If neither, NC starts immediately.. And her texts responses if not YES originally go from funny, to, short one word/one line at the most, answers.. (good strategy fellas, once she is used to all your texts being funny and all the sudden they get serious and short, she knows your IL in her is fading, and she will try to fix it) She will start chasing you!!
- When we meet, the humor continues.. If all is going well, I go for the kiss close in the middle, I don't wait until we are both heading for home... A couple hours and a lot of good talk, leave one place, she gets a kiss in the parking lot before we head to the second place..Then we hold hands the rest of the night...
- All goes naturally from there... If I feel its going bad, I will end the night before she does..
- I have had sex on first night many times, but I never plan to.....
- Usually I just have a good make out session and introduce some b00bies to my great mouth.. Get her all hot and bothered with that and my fingers on her lower mommy parts.. enough to let her know what I can do later but dont do it...
_ Scoring the second meeting is rarely a problem at this point... And its rare that I don't fvck on the second date if i have let it get to that point, very, very rare...
And now you know, the LEFT of the story..... lol
Tictac
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Would it surprise you to find out the they guys who do best likely have little idea why?
Thanks lefty that sounds a lot like my natural game which I thought I had to change up because I've been off the scene for so long.
Sounds like it still works fine and I've been second guessing myself.
It would be great to hear your second date routine do you escalate quickly ie basically pick up where you left off or do you pretty much just run comfort first for a while, rebuild the rapport and then crack on
Sounds like it still works fine and I've been second guessing myself.
It would be great to hear your second date routine do you escalate quickly ie basically pick up where you left off or do you pretty much just run comfort first for a while, rebuild the rapport and then crack on
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Serenity
Moderator
True, I've tried countless "systems". Nothing works better than fvcking the system.
RangerMIke
Master Don Juan
Pretty much like logicallefty, except I don't text. I don't text because I don't like it, I know it works for some guys but does not work for me because I am not comfortable with it... I hate texting because I can't read interest in vocal tones or body language. The lesson here isn't don't text (even though I don't think anyone needs it), or DO ANYTHING, if you are not comfortable with it. Women can read you like a book and if you are doing stuff that you are not comfortable with she will know and will read this as weakness on a sub-conscious level. This is why it is really hard to take what other people do and incorporate it into what you are doing. Some guys need an awful lot of self improvement before they can pull off what others with a ton of experience can do in their sleep.
Advice that will work for everyone:
- ABR... Always Be Ready. Dress well, be in the best shape you can, clean, smell good... Even if you are running to the hardware store. Carry breath mines and use them liberally.
- Learn to read body language. This will help you ID women who are interested in you and those that are not, this way you can focus on those that like you and not waste time on those that don't. I laugh my head off at guys you are trying to hit up women that are giving them OBVIOUS sight of disinterest.. they are completely fvcking clueless. Work on this until you can get to the point where you can walk into a room and within a minute ID all the women you have a chance with. TRUST me ANYONE can do this, but it takes a lot of work and practice. This is the most significant factor in my success. I can't get every woman I see, but I will get whatever woman I want that indicates interest and is not otherwise in a relationship, body language will tell you all this.
- Smile be friendly when you first meet, if you can be funny and joke about something around you , go ahead and do that but if you are not naturally funny and charming don't try it... you'll come off as a creep. But everyone can be friendly.
- Make sure she understands you are sexually attracted to her. You do this by making strong eye contact, and imagine in the back of your mind that you are fvcking her. I know you think this is nuts, but it works.
- Ask for her phone number, or go ahead and make a date right there if you are getting strong IOI. I'll always ask her out on the spot if I know she is strongly attracted. If I'm having doubts, I'll ask for her number as a test. Then listen to what she says and her body language. If she gives you the number without any hesitation, then call her in a couple a days and make a date... the less confidence you have in her interest the longer you wait, but regardless if you ask for her number you MUST call her within a couple of weeks. You do it because it helps you keep your frame as a man that always goes after what he wants.
- When you get her on a date, she should be doing all the talking. She has to believe she is selling herself to you. And when she starts selling herself, you MUST acknowledge it. She'll say something impressive about herself, and you have to agree at some level that it's a good thing. I think this is where most men screw up on first dates, they don't realize a woman is selling herself to them and don't except this. When you don't accept what she is saying she will lose interest in you because subconsciously she will believe you do not want her.... at some point in the date, you have to build rapport on something emotional. This isn't a technique of game, it's what you do if you want to build interest. Find something she said and communicate emotionally that you connect with her on this, be honest, and don't make anything up. I don't know how to tell you how to do this except to say you have to communicate emotion with description and analogy. Do this on as many topics you can... do this well and you will ensure you will get other dates, that she will answer your phone and return your calls... this is how you build rapport. Rapport keeps her interested and gets her to chase you.
After that everything just sort of works out. Try to make a date once a week keep doing this, and once her interest level is high enough she will be reaching out to you, then all you have to do is make dates and fvck her. She starts losing interest another dude pops in she'll contact you less, just let her drift away, load in another one. She comes back, great go ahead and fvck her. If not, well she's not the only woman in the world... besides while all this is going on you should be seeing other women.
Advice that will work for everyone:
- ABR... Always Be Ready. Dress well, be in the best shape you can, clean, smell good... Even if you are running to the hardware store. Carry breath mines and use them liberally.
- Learn to read body language. This will help you ID women who are interested in you and those that are not, this way you can focus on those that like you and not waste time on those that don't. I laugh my head off at guys you are trying to hit up women that are giving them OBVIOUS sight of disinterest.. they are completely fvcking clueless. Work on this until you can get to the point where you can walk into a room and within a minute ID all the women you have a chance with. TRUST me ANYONE can do this, but it takes a lot of work and practice. This is the most significant factor in my success. I can't get every woman I see, but I will get whatever woman I want that indicates interest and is not otherwise in a relationship, body language will tell you all this.
- Smile be friendly when you first meet, if you can be funny and joke about something around you , go ahead and do that but if you are not naturally funny and charming don't try it... you'll come off as a creep. But everyone can be friendly.
- Make sure she understands you are sexually attracted to her. You do this by making strong eye contact, and imagine in the back of your mind that you are fvcking her. I know you think this is nuts, but it works.
- Ask for her phone number, or go ahead and make a date right there if you are getting strong IOI. I'll always ask her out on the spot if I know she is strongly attracted. If I'm having doubts, I'll ask for her number as a test. Then listen to what she says and her body language. If she gives you the number without any hesitation, then call her in a couple a days and make a date... the less confidence you have in her interest the longer you wait, but regardless if you ask for her number you MUST call her within a couple of weeks. You do it because it helps you keep your frame as a man that always goes after what he wants.
- When you get her on a date, she should be doing all the talking. She has to believe she is selling herself to you. And when she starts selling herself, you MUST acknowledge it. She'll say something impressive about herself, and you have to agree at some level that it's a good thing. I think this is where most men screw up on first dates, they don't realize a woman is selling herself to them and don't except this. When you don't accept what she is saying she will lose interest in you because subconsciously she will believe you do not want her.... at some point in the date, you have to build rapport on something emotional. This isn't a technique of game, it's what you do if you want to build interest. Find something she said and communicate emotionally that you connect with her on this, be honest, and don't make anything up. I don't know how to tell you how to do this except to say you have to communicate emotion with description and analogy. Do this on as many topics you can... do this well and you will ensure you will get other dates, that she will answer your phone and return your calls... this is how you build rapport. Rapport keeps her interested and gets her to chase you.
After that everything just sort of works out. Try to make a date once a week keep doing this, and once her interest level is high enough she will be reaching out to you, then all you have to do is make dates and fvck her. She starts losing interest another dude pops in she'll contact you less, just let her drift away, load in another one. She comes back, great go ahead and fvck her. If not, well she's not the only woman in the world... besides while all this is going on you should be seeing other women.
Bingo-Player
Master Don Juan
i don't know why but i find my poon comes in waves and there isn't much i can do about it except ride them
perhaps its just my attitude
some months I've got literally nothing on the books and every chick i go near seems to try and play games or has low interest
then i have other months where I'm fvcking like a pornstar , chicks telling me they need me inside them , and every girl i go near melts for me
but no consistency the best run i went on was about 2 years ago i had a lot of pu$$y and it was incredible
i firmly believe women have a 6th sense for picking up where your at in life and with women
if they can sense your getting it , they will give it up on a plate
if they can sense your not getting it well.........life can be difficult
oh the irony
perhaps its just my attitude
some months I've got literally nothing on the books and every chick i go near seems to try and play games or has low interest
then i have other months where I'm fvcking like a pornstar , chicks telling me they need me inside them , and every girl i go near melts for me
but no consistency the best run i went on was about 2 years ago i had a lot of pu$$y and it was incredible
i firmly believe women have a 6th sense for picking up where your at in life and with women
if they can sense your getting it , they will give it up on a plate
if they can sense your not getting it well.........life can be difficult
oh the irony
magevis
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From what you're saying, your text game seems to be on point. It would be great if you could share some examples(screenshots if possible). I am keen on improving as text game has never been my cup of tea.
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
logicallefty
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Here are a few recent ones... I have so many of these. I just kind of make them up on the fly...
This was an exchange we had several weeks after seeing each other:
HB: I want to go to a haunted house
LL: I know of a great haunted house
HB: where
LL: my room
HB: oh really, who are you going to invite to your haunted house
LL: just you for now cuz you are the star freak
HB: oh yeah in what way
LL: come on over and I'll show ya (evil grin emoj)
HB: how you going to show me
LL: You can see my big haunted hotdog, it will give you lots of screams and fun in your buns
HB: lol well I'll be right over then!!!!
One day she told me she played hooky from work and sat on the couch all day, so I sent this:
LL: Hey, I heard fire crews were on your street today
HB: Really? Where?
LL: fwd: <our local paper> 10/26/2015 - <her town name>, Fire and rescue crews were called to <her street> this afternoon in what authorities are calling “too much fun in the buns” for a rural <her town> woman. Firecrews had to use the jaws of life to get Ms. <HB name>, 39, peeled up from the seat of her couch. <HB> told authorities that she had taken the day off work so she could slack off and do nothing. But her slacking got the best of her when she sat on the couch too long and her butt and couch chemically fused together. <HB> is at <hospital> getting treatments for burns on her butt right now, but is expected to make a full recovery and have a fully functional butt within a few weeks.
Almost all my text convos have one thing in common, such as these two. I just take something she says, or something going on anywhere, and make humor of it... Sometimes its sexual humor, but often times not.. Sometimes its politically correct, sometimes not... whatever I can think of.. I have my own style of humor I guess that is somewhat unique to me. But it works in my favor most of the time.. If this thread continues I can find more...
This was an exchange we had several weeks after seeing each other:
HB: I want to go to a haunted house
LL: I know of a great haunted house
HB: where
LL: my room
HB: oh really, who are you going to invite to your haunted house
LL: just you for now cuz you are the star freak
HB: oh yeah in what way
LL: come on over and I'll show ya (evil grin emoj)
HB: how you going to show me
LL: You can see my big haunted hotdog, it will give you lots of screams and fun in your buns
HB: lol well I'll be right over then!!!!
One day she told me she played hooky from work and sat on the couch all day, so I sent this:
LL: Hey, I heard fire crews were on your street today
HB: Really? Where?
LL: fwd: <our local paper> 10/26/2015 - <her town name>, Fire and rescue crews were called to <her street> this afternoon in what authorities are calling “too much fun in the buns” for a rural <her town> woman. Firecrews had to use the jaws of life to get Ms. <HB name>, 39, peeled up from the seat of her couch. <HB> told authorities that she had taken the day off work so she could slack off and do nothing. But her slacking got the best of her when she sat on the couch too long and her butt and couch chemically fused together. <HB> is at <hospital> getting treatments for burns on her butt right now, but is expected to make a full recovery and have a fully functional butt within a few weeks.
Almost all my text convos have one thing in common, such as these two. I just take something she says, or something going on anywhere, and make humor of it... Sometimes its sexual humor, but often times not.. Sometimes its politically correct, sometimes not... whatever I can think of.. I have my own style of humor I guess that is somewhat unique to me. But it works in my favor most of the time.. If this thread continues I can find more...
logicallefty
Moderator
Second date is very often times LL:"Hey its been a busy week and I don't want to go out.. You want to just come over to my house and I'll grill up something for dinner?" And she comes over to my place, we eat, I usually make a bon fire out back, I give her the grand tour of my house and property, and then we get it on....
Other times we will just go to one of my favorite two bars, eat and drink there, then back to my place..
The thing for me is if we have made it to a second date, I am 100% sure by then that she has IL. If she didn't give me the right IL in the first date, I would have ended the first date early and never scheduled a second one...
So for me, the first date is everything.. Knowing the signs of IL, the kiss close in the middle, and then taking it from there..... The kiss in the middle has been so useful for me.. Cuz if she rejects the kiss mid first date then there is no reason for me to continue with her and ever have a second one..
Harry Wilmington
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Love this thread! I have a step-by-step system I follow when attracting women that always results in me getting the woman to become my girlfriend. I actually have a program coming out on November 15th for guys that details everything it is I do (based on years of trial, error and much success), so I don't wanna say too much on here...
What I WILL say, though, is that a BIG thing that helped my game was learning the art of PATIENCE. I think as guys we think we always need to be doing SOME kind of action or saying SOME kind of words to her in order to attract her... and yet, I discovered that the best move you can make sometimes is NO move. Like, NOT calling her for a few days or NOT responding to her right away, etc. It makes you look more calculated, which women equate with a guy that plans out stuff, i.e. has a plan for his life AND possibly for her. Even in the area of sex - I found I was able to score with MORE chicks - and in a quicker time frame - by acting like I could care less when we did it for the first time, leaning back a bit, and letting HER make the first touch moves on ME.
What I WILL say, though, is that a BIG thing that helped my game was learning the art of PATIENCE. I think as guys we think we always need to be doing SOME kind of action or saying SOME kind of words to her in order to attract her... and yet, I discovered that the best move you can make sometimes is NO move. Like, NOT calling her for a few days or NOT responding to her right away, etc. It makes you look more calculated, which women equate with a guy that plans out stuff, i.e. has a plan for his life AND possibly for her. Even in the area of sex - I found I was able to score with MORE chicks - and in a quicker time frame - by acting like I could care less when we did it for the first time, leaning back a bit, and letting HER make the first touch moves on ME.
stevo
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I'll add
- Don't take yourself too serious.
- Be friendly with the wait staff and bartenders, ask them their name, make conversation.
- Listen and remember almost every important thing she says about herself.
- When those red flags come up, do not ignore or forget them
- For the most part wait for some kind of kino from her, if nothing gradually initiate.
- I only take LTR prospects on a date and I rarely kiss close on first dates, I keep that for second dates, that's just how I qualify sluts from wife material.
- FB prospects get invited to my place from the jump.
- Have an aura that you enjoy your life
- Before sex my texts are always straight to the point, no "how are you" or other chatty lines. After sex, I don't initiate and my responses are sexually charged.
- If she says she'll let you know, WAIT IT OUT! this is critical.
- I dont respond to any text message in less than 5 minutes of receiving it, sometimes I go ghost mid convo and respond the next day (if she responds late)
Remember:
Men hurry, Women want things to last.
So draw out things as much as you can except initial sexual advances like kino and kiss closing.
- Don't take yourself too serious.
- Be friendly with the wait staff and bartenders, ask them their name, make conversation.
- Listen and remember almost every important thing she says about herself.
- When those red flags come up, do not ignore or forget them
- For the most part wait for some kind of kino from her, if nothing gradually initiate.
- I only take LTR prospects on a date and I rarely kiss close on first dates, I keep that for second dates, that's just how I qualify sluts from wife material.
- FB prospects get invited to my place from the jump.
- Have an aura that you enjoy your life
- Before sex my texts are always straight to the point, no "how are you" or other chatty lines. After sex, I don't initiate and my responses are sexually charged.
- If she says she'll let you know, WAIT IT OUT! this is critical.
- I dont respond to any text message in less than 5 minutes of receiving it, sometimes I go ghost mid convo and respond the next day (if she responds late)
Remember:
Men hurry, Women want things to last.
So draw out things as much as you can except initial sexual advances like kino and kiss closing.
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