"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Post your field experimentation ideas here, and I'll do them.

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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read my journal.

I also highly recommend the book ModeOne by Roger Alan Currie which will help you to understand how I live my life.

Here is a little interview with the author of mode one.
Yeah, this guy makes alot of good points, but I would say that this system works best for good looking guys. You cant always get away with the straight forward approach if your not already obviously the shyt
 

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Yeah, this guy makes alot of good points, but I would say that this system works best for good looking guys. You cant always get away with the straight forward approach if your not already obviously the shyt
I agree
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Dongfu said:
Yeah, this guy makes alot of good points, but I would say that this system works best for good looking guys. You cant always get away with the straight forward approach if your not already obviously the shyt
Of course it works best for good looking guys and so does everything else.

However how many guys do you know that truly exhibit ModeOne behavior?

95% of all guys are pu$$ies in todays society, that's why it is so effective.

That's the secret of the jerk vs. niceguy debate.

The jerk is acting normal around women while the nice guy is just being a player hating, jealous pu$$y.

You don't have to be good looking, you have to be attractive.

CONFIDENCE and DOMINANCE are the two main attributes that make a man attractive to women.

You become "the shyt" by growing balls and that process takes time and courage.
 

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ChrizZ said:
Of course it works best for good looking guys and so does everything else.

However how many guys do you know that truly exhibit ModeOne behavior?

95% of all guys are pu$$ies in todays society, that's why it is so effective.

That's the secret of the jerk vs. niceguy debate.

The jerk is acting normal around women while the nice guy is just being a player hating, jealous pu$$y.

You don't have to be good looking, you have to be attractive.

CONFIDENCE and DOMINANCE are the two main attributes that make a man attractive to women.

You become "the shyt" by growing balls and that process takes time and courage.
Something else about this needs to be clarified. WHen this guy says to tell women what's really on your mind, he is not saying to walk up to women and say, "let's have some hot steamy sex." That would be trying to sell the dong before you make the trust sale.

I dont know if the opener you recommended on this thread is supposed to be based on that.

To be straight forward, as this mode guy recommends means to express your interest in a cool, calm, dignified way. It's not about telling every woman you like what you really want to do with her as soon as you meet.

"I'd like to have sex with you maybe twice, and then i'd like to met your friends and fvck them too. And after that I'd like you to be my pivot." :rolleyes:

Women like a little suspense. They want to be a little unsure exactly how you feel. Otherwise there is no mystery, and your just another horny guy. It's a given that guys want sex.

Women want you to be direct about you interest in them as a complete person, not just another, hopefully shaved, clean little pvssy.
 

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1 - Walk up to a girl and tell her the most misogynistic joke you can think of at the moment. Do some research before hand to decide which joke to tell, then spring it and see what happens.
Admittedly, I was feeling a bit lazy earlier today, so I decided to try this one because it struck me as a hilarious picture in my head. I expected to be slapped, so that anything else would be a relief to me.

Experiment #4
Date: 11/20/07
Idea: Approach with a misogynistic joke.
Idea by: Mayfly
Target: HB 7, White
Results:

I walked up to this pretty good-looking chick that was smoking a cigarette outside of the food court (Approaches 1-3 were inside of it). Blonde hair, in a ponytail (probably would've been a 7.5+ if her hair was down). She was alone, and wasn't on a cell phone, so I saw an opportune time to test the boundaries and limits of a random female.

ME: Excuse me, I need a favor of you. (I was trying ridiculously hard not to bust out in laughter from the thought)
HER: What?
ME: I need a favor of you.
HER: I'm not interested.
ME: Wash my dishes.

I started laughing halfway through the delivery. I also expected a smack across the face when I saw her reaction. She looked at me with a disgusted face, then did a 180, so I just walked away laughing, even though I did feel kinda bad. This wasn't one of those disgusted faces that appear with a confused look, this was where the face cringes completely and wrinkles appear because every muscle on the face is disgusted. I felt like a bully, but hey, it was a funny little experiment.

Reaction: I saw "not interested" coming because people usually hang around that area handing out fliers or asking people to sign petitions from school, buy stuff, join a group, support this or that, etc. Now, I didn't learn anything from this.. but the idea was too hilarious to pass up. Looking back on the actual post from Mayfly, I didn't really make a misogynistic joke, just a misogynistic statement.
 

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It's all good man. At least you tried it. I think a joke would go over better since you can actually just say you were joking. I have another idea, but you would really need to throw it out on the table. :whistle:
 

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props for having the balls to pull that, but whats the point? i think you've got you're approach anxiety under control by now, so you just gotta work on rapport + closing ;)
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Tear Gas said:
props for having the balls to pull that, but whats the point? i think you've got you're approach anxiety under control by now, so you just gotta work on rapport + closing ;)
Never really had approach anxiety, and the last approach was pointless, just for laughs. And check the first 3 experiments, rapport + closing has gone over pretty well so far :)
 

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go out and find a HB9 or HB10 that you like, approach, close and bang the craziness out of her(once or twice) and then don't call her, don't answer her texts, just drop off the face of the earth. if you can walk away from something like that you can walk away from anything, bigtime strength and confidence builder.
 

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Experiment #5

Date: Novemeber 20, 2007

Find a random girl

"Do you want to get back with you ex?"

Spend on night with her, and see if she'll hook you up with a friend/
 

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I don't have school for the rest of the week because of Thanksgiving. Keep the ideas flowing in, so I can be equipped to experiment some more on Monday. Good times :whistle:
 

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Bonez said:
Find a random girl

"Do you want to get back with you ex?"

Spend on night with her, and see if she'll hook you up with a friend/
I don't get this. Any part of it.. how is that question an opener? And the friend thing.. wha? Just seems like 2 completely random ideas strung together?

skirtChaser said:
go out and find a HB9 or HB10 that you like, approach, close and bang the craziness out of her(once or twice) and then don't call her, don't answer her texts, just drop off the face of the earth. if you can walk away from something like that you can walk away from anything, bigtime strength and confidence builder.
Good tip, but not really what this thread is about.. I'm trying to prove tactics and methods either effective or ineffective by experimenting with them.

Mayfly said:
It's all good man. At least you tried it. I think a joke would go over better since you can actually just say you were joking. I have another idea, but you would really need to throw it out on the table. :whistle:
Let's hear it. The thread needs more ideas anyway :wave:

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Haha sorry if I wasn't clear, but yeah I meant doing the heroically ****y move of whisking yourself and some attractive female to the front of the line in some restaurant and sitting down to eat with her.
Haha.. I'm passing on this because I don't find it heroic or really ****y at all, I just find it to be an obnoxious move that if somebody tried to pull while I was waiting in line, I'd pound his face in. :trouble:

Snow Plowman said:
I have a ****load of stuff for you try...some that I've done myself...but I'm going to wait for this thread to grow for a bit and since you still have some Ideas in your head I'll hold back.
There's no better time than now. Shoot!
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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How big is your college?

is it a University environment.?
 

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moto said:
How big is your college?

is it a University environment.?
Pretty big. 37,000+ students.. and according to the university website, 59% female.
 

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I have a great idea. Try this on a below average looking chick.

You: Are you single?

Her: Yeah, how did you know?

You: Because you are damn ugly!

*eject*
 

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ChrizZ said:
I have a great idea. Try this on a below average looking chick.

You: Are you single?

Her: Yeah, how did you know?

You: Because you are damn ugly!

*eject*
That's further than I'm willing to go. That's a little too far if you ask me.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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