"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Post-club game

gh15

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Hey guys,

New here. Been a fan of this site...truly opened my eyes as well as showed how big of an AFC I am hahaha. Well, learning day by day is what matters.

Long story short - was getting it on with a chick at a club - dancing and making out, repeat etc. Unfortunately wasn't able to take her home, as she was adamant about housing her friend from out-of-state who was with her that night. Got her #, and bounced.

Texted her the next day late afternoon - the standard "hey it's [ ], you get home safe last night?"

Surprised she replied, saying it was a really long night, capping it off with a smiley face (oh girls and their emoticons)

[waited couple hours before responding]

me: good to hear. we should hang out sometime, you live in the city right?
her: yep! sounds good to me.
me: great

I didn't go into logistics, I wanted to leave her hanging for a while. Reasons for this is a) I want to figure out what we can do b) I need to get some work done before thinking about step a). Plan is to hit her up in the next 1-2 days, ask her if she's free on the weekend, and see her.

Now....senior donjuans! What are some good date options? Would it be a bad idea if I suggest dinner, then taking her to a friend's birthday party (at a really nice club).

Never had experience in this scenario, and would love some advice :)
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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gh15 said:
Hey guys,

New here. Been a fan of this site...truly opened my eyes as well as showed how big of an AFC I am hahaha. Well, learning day by day is what matters.

Long story short - was getting it on with a chick at a club - dancing and making out, repeat etc. Unfortunately wasn't able to take her home, as she was adamant about housing her friend from out-of-state who was with her that night. Got her #, and bounced.

Texted her the next day late afternoon - the standard "hey it's [ ], you get home safe last night?"

Surprised she replied, saying it was a really long night, capping it off with a smiley face (oh girls and their emoticons)

[waited couple hours before responding]

me: good to hear. we should hang out sometime, you live in the city right?
her: yep! sounds good to me.
me: great

I didn't go into logistics, I wanted to leave her hanging for a while. Reasons for this is a) I want to figure out what we can do b) I need to get some work done before thinking about step a). Plan is to hit her up in the next 1-2 days, ask her if she's free on the weekend, and see her.

Now....senior donjuans! What are some good date options? Would it be a bad idea if I suggest dinner, then taking her to a friend's birthday party (at a really nice club).

Never had experience in this scenario, and would love some advice :)
Look up Hookah lounges in your area and take her there, or bowling, pool something fun.

You met the chick once. You don't really know her so wait on dinner. The friends party depending on the chick may be a little too much pressure making her think you're already introducing her to your friends. She might like the party but not bother with you after with thoughts of your friends meeting her and you moving too fast for a first "date".
 

gh15

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hookah is a great idea (will have to see if she's down for it). was thinking bar night or maybe pool.

Seems like there's a divided support on this board for texting vs calling for setting up dates. I was thinking I call her to raise the interest level. Or would it not matter given she has decent IL (assuming she doesnt flake last minute)
 
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