Hello Friend,

If this is your first visit to SoSuave, I would advise you to START HERE.

It will be the most efficient use of your time.

And you will learn everything you need to know to become a huge success with women.

Thank you for visiting and have a great day!

Porn has completely destroyed me

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:crackup: !!!

Here is the link.

the provided link said:
Are you a Tufts or Harvard grad and a great conversationalist?

Not important.

Do you have a quirky sense of humor and a knack for cooking Asian Fusion cuisine?

Don't care.

Would you like to discuss the sub-text meaning of the whip sawed brush strokes of that Kandinsky painting at the MFA?

Fvck off.
the provided link said:
Look good or you're alone.
 

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I bet that guy has hairy palms...

I want a girl to look good but I'd much rather have a pretty girl who I enjoy spending time with than half the skanks at my university -

yeah they're alright to look at but I get bored of the clones, girls with dyed blonde hair, a squeaky voice, no brains and no understanding of anything...give me a conversation with the smart + moderately attractive girl from the lax team any day ;)
 

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I just thought of a filter of dittzes.

Hold up a card, with the important details hidden from her
"What is this?"
If she replies, a card. You ask "What kind of card is this?"
Anything less then I can't see the card, tell her off!
If she asks you to see the card, or knows what it is, continue.

Why? Because you're holding up the back side of a library card!
 

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Now THIS makes sense!

As I'm walking out the door to purchase yet another tub of Protein drink and preparing to come back for my 4x/week - 2hour workout, I realize the orignal poster is pointing out what has been obvious to me for years!
Women have been conditioned to expect the highest of standards in the men they consider "worthy". They expect them to be in tip top physical form, smart, decent wage earner (rather not wage earner, but profit sharer because they own their own highly successful company). A playboy to show off their girlfriends.
Essentially, they want Pierce Brosnan, with Donald Trump's cash flow, with a smidge of David Copperfield. But what are they willing offer in return? Most are (or end up being) a sit-on-the-couch, beer drinking, complaining, no-life-having, lazy-azz, expecting, soon-to-be-cheating (or already has cheated), over-make-up, too much perfumed, classless, farting, public belching, calculating, useless, looks fading or gone (but that fact is hidden under black clothes or baggy appearal), argumentative, inconsistant, untrustable, PIA! Even if they do have a "Power job", it doesn't matter, it makes them even worse in the attitude!
I'm not a misogynist. I'm a realist!

Gee! All that makes me want to put the effort in! I guess it's a good thing I work out for ME!
I expect from other people only what I can deliver to them! They should do the same.

I happen to agree with the Docs. Though I'm not nec. addicted to porn, I like it because it NEVER lets me down or disspoints me! And the job is done in no time flat! Porn doesn't complain!! Or even sulk when you turn it off!
 

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Truer than most would imagine. Im not sure I'd use the word "destroyed", rather I'd say "disillusioned." At the very least the guy is being honest with himself and brings up valid points. The argument being that porn desensitizes men to sexual arousal (or at least makes it more specific), and you could propose some very sound theories on this, but the flip side is that porn has 'enlightned' men to see how we really are - we put a high value on the quality of sexual experience. And of course this entails the physical attributes, sexual performance and sexual availability of women. I think it's naive to assume an ignorance-is-bliss attitude would serve us better. We are sex-seeking as men, so to say that we'd be better served by remaing censored and sheltered from representations of sexuality (i.e. porn, media, etc.) or that we're 'destroyed' by having our eyes opened to what's out there to enojy (or to avoid) is pollyannish.

"If you don't know what you're missing, you'll enjoy yourself more" is a cop out, and it's irrelevant. The genie's out of the bottle now, and if anything, this article highlights what women have been sold for the past 40 years. Women have been given every advantage and have been encouraged to develop themselves into (at least the images of) intellectual, cultural and sociological paragons for almost half a century now. Essentially turning themselves into what men aspire(d) to be with the expectation being that all this would make them more appealing, attractive and ultimately arousing for a potential long term mate. This article lays this myth bare in it's rawest sense. Men simply aren't aroused by intellectualism, cultural or sociological affinity. We don't care what a woman does for a living nor does an education or social responsibility aid in attraction. It's all physical, she's got to be hot.

Don't get me wrong, It's great if a woman posesses other esoteric qualities, but these are after the fact - icing on the cake if you will once attraction and arousal occur. The major conflict between genders now is that as part of the re-education of women for the past 40+years women have been condition not only to believe, but to expect that the results of their hard work - profession, education, finacial and social successes, etc - will be a source of attraction for men. These attributes and qualities that men were expected to achieve are attractive, for men with regards to women, but our biologies simply thwart this plan when reversed for women.

And women are now hitting the wall so to speak as they find themselves single for longer, relegated to being single mothers, trapped in their professionalism all the while expecting men to appreciate their ephemeral qualities over their physical/sexual qualities. So to counter this, women create social contrivances and make it men's fault for not appreciating them as they were taught, and for reasons they should, be entitled to. Men are "shallow" or "infantile" or have fragile egos in an effort to justify for themselves the reasons for their predicament. It's not that a woman had to make personal, relational, sacrifices to reach her level of success, no, it's men's fault that she can't find one of the same degree of professional success as her own. It's porn's fault for conditioning that guy not to be attracted to her "unique body shape" (aquired as a result of her sacrifices made to become who she is) and look more for the hot 22 y.o. with a perfect ass and beautiful (albeit fake) t!ts.

Basic biology will be the end of this cycle. The fact of the matter is that it's physicality and sexuality that spark our interest in a woman and once this has been achieved THEN other qualities can be appreciated. This was true thousands of years before Hugh Heffner started publishing Playboy and no amount of watching porn (or sheltering ourselves from it) or women's attempts to recondition men to be more aroused by the esoteric is going to change this any time soon.
 

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RT,

You should include a direct link to dictionary.com in your posts, so we can pull it up easy on our tab-browsers to look up those big words you use.

..........

Maybe looks is of primary importance, but there is not a great deal of parity between what woman looks good from one man to the next. Some like em large, some like em small, some like them big breas**, some like small ones, some like blonds, some like brunettes, and on and on an on. So as long as a woman isnt an Ug, she shouldn't worry too much.
 

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Azanon, grab a brain. That was rude. If you can't understand big words, either don't listen to it and save us the trouble, or strive to understand though better literacy skills.
 

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Docs said:
Azanon, grab a brain. That was rude. If you can't understand big words, either don't listen to it and save us the trouble, or strive to understand though better literacy skills.
I have no doubt RT knew it was a joke (if not also a compliment). Clearly, you didn't though. Ironically, you have claim to the first rude post.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
Basic biology will be the end of this cycle. The fact of the matter is that it's physicality and sexuality that spark our interest in a woman and once this has been achieved THEN other qualities can be appreciated. This was true thousands of years before Hugh Heffner started publishing Playboy and no amount of watching porn (or sheltering ourselves from it) or women's attempts to recondition men to be more aroused by the esoteric is going to change this any time soon.
I laughed my ass off when I found this article, but still, it IS true.

You know, that was the thing that really SHOCKED me when I found this forum. I was conditioned to give importance to some things and neglect others (such as hotness), cause it was "shallow". I ended up getting with UGs and could not have any desire to be with them. Then, I would ask myself WTF was happening that I was with someone who everyone told me was the one I should be with and I still wanted to jack off thinking about the HB at my class, and had no desire to bang my own girlfriend, who did not wanted to bang me anyway.

Rollo Tomassi said:
Men simply aren't aroused by intellectualism, cultural or sociological affinity. We don't care what a woman does for a living nor does an education or social responsibility aid in attraction. It's all physical, she's got to be hot.
The FIRST girl I was really attracted to before anything was the one that, after a long LTR, fvcked with my head enough to make me search for something, and luckily I found this forum. And hard it was to get into my head, all of this. Although I had the experience of getting a girl I was genuinely attracted to (as in I WANT TO BANG HER!), I still had some serious issues about wanting to bang someone without "getting to know her first". I recall making some weird rationalizations to the fact that I found her HOT. Just that, HOT.

The only thing I disliked about the link I posted is that the guy seems guilty. As RT pointed out, disillusioned would be a much better word.
 
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Fear is the motivator. Fear of dying alone and unloved. It takes effort to get everything right in life, including finding the right woman. Once a man knows what he wants in a woman, women get scared, because they will be held to that expectation. So women try to control men and have the one-up in the relationship, and this way they can get away with their not-so-perfect behaviors. Personally I think it's a paradox; women want to be what men find attractive, but none will put in the work to be compatible to their mate of choice. This is why that one dating website that flaunts "compatibility" exists; it allows stubborn women who would rather die than change, a way to find someone who is most likely to put up with her ****! Or so she thinks.

I was watching this movie last night, about this guy who was a salesman and fed up with "all the lies" society "forced" him to tell. He was getting divorced from his wife and giving her money for the kids, all the while expecting very chumpishly to get back together with her. In one scene his boss calls him into his office to talk, and he asks him if he knows Dale Carnegie's famous book. He doesn't, so his boss tells him, "Give a dog a good name. I didn't call you in here to tell you your sales have been ****, instead I called you in here to tell you, you're a great salesman, but you're sales aren't so great right now. Is there any problems at home?" The point of that movie quote: It's the same with women. Below all their thoughts, I think women secretly fear screwing up. And they want someone to give them a good name if they do.

To say something On-Topic, porn is a way to sublimate unconscious urges. And just like drugs it stimulates that part of the brain that feels good. So it has the potential for a psychological addiction. And these day's it's easy and free, all over the net. Take a lonely guy + a computer + some hand lotion and you got the makings of ALL the trolls on this forum. PORN IS NOT REAL. It is a synthesized drug that caters just to you. Why do you think porno stars need to be PAID in order to make a film or shoot some photos? Because it is WORK to act someway that you are not naturally. Porn will delude your reality because it gives you all you want for no effort.
 

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I didnt read the article but it baffles me that women would complain about men being "shallow" or unappreciative of their intellect.

Having a shallow, sex-driven 'opponent' is the best scenario imaginable!

Think about it - a women has to do NOTHING with her life. She does not need an education, social skills, courtesy and generosity, a job, intellect, etc. To survive in this world, all a woman needs is a great body. THAT IS A FACT.

If I was a girl, I would get plastic surgery, a boob job, take a course in personal training, and get a job at a gym to get free access anytime I want and learn how to achieve a perfect body.

Then Id take a course in cosmotelogy and work at a salon, where I can get professionally done make-up and hair.

With perfect makeup and body, get a job as a waitress at an upper-class restaurant or bar, frequented by celebrities and rich men. DONE!

Within a few years you will get money, social status, a husband, cars, mansions, maids, possibly fame! No skills required!

It's a very sad thought that intellect, decency, work ethic, education, and persistence are of less practical value than fake breasts. Anyone have a rope?
 

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I'd like to tackle a few points:

First, porn stars are usually emotionally messed up human beings. So when you think of a perfect girl, you should really think twice before picking Jenna Jameson - because chances are her hot body does not make up for all the crazy. And you want your partner to have a great mind, don't you?

Second, contrary to what RT mentioned, I do believe that porn changes your preferences, albeit only to marginal extent. If I stop looking at the fit and slim porn girls I might have more tendencies to get down with a slightly thicker lass.

Then, there is another thing - porn lets you know what you really like. If you get turned on by chubby people having sex- guess what, you might just want to hump a fatty. If you can't get enough of doggy style - well, may be there is your favorite postion.

One thing I would caution the younger guys out there about is the ACTING in porn movies. Please don't be in disbelief when your girl does not scream like a banshee, bites your neck, welcomes anal, and wants you to *** on her face.


...but hell, if you think she should, you should just go for it :)
 

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Oxide said:
One thing I would caution the younger guys out there about is the ACTING in porn movies. Please don't be in disbelief when your girl does not scream like a banshee, bites your neck, welcomes anal, and wants you to *** on her face.


...but hell, if you think she should, you should just go for it :)
Damn, and I just thought I hadn't been looking "hard" enough!

Now I'm shattered. Thank you for removing what was left of my joie de vivre. I'll go on, drifting, the empty shell of a man I once could have become...
 

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porn is a way to sublimate unconscious urges. And just like drugs it stimulates that part of the brain that feels good. So it has the potential for a psychological addiction.

I agree, and like any other drug, it is fun while it lasts, but leaves you a little worse off in the end. Although I don't think it's all bad. It can add a little fun to a LTR if you watch it together, but only once in a while and not as a crutch for a couple who can't turn each other on without it. It's not exactly erotic to hear, "move your head. I can't see the screen."
 

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Re:

I look at porn.
I scope pages out.
I've only bought playboys.
And own only 1 porn I bought, more for my gf than anything.

That said...porn has some interesting points.

-Why is it illegal to hook, but not illegal to pay women f- on film? Because it's art? Free speech? Taxable? I don't think there's a legitimate difference someone can't point to self-interests SOMEWHERE. The powers that be recognize that huge profits are made, and porn is the way.

-It is 1 piece of what's eroding our country from the inside out. Guys want women more like porn stars than true women. You want the happy housewife, and the oversexed slut, too. Guess what? Modern Day America is just that. You've got your porn women, guys, and you wonder why most of you despise most American women. Their best attempts are to live up to the majority of male expectations. And in that, they've lost their way and their class. While it isn't only the fault of 1 sex, blame does lie on men's expectations in how women should be, and since women clamour for a male's economic resources, procreative juices, and protection, all women know the most wanted men will get it. So they conform to the lowest, most common denominator.

-Men are attracted to females. Period. Porn minimies the pool of available candidates by defining it based on what's seen in porn. A girl who gets dumped for a more slutty version of herself will....lower her standards, or become a slut. More the latter than anything. Those that don't, get married, b/c they have pride, and are snatched up by smart men.

-Why not experiment and explore with yourselves? Most porn is scripted by men to be beneficial for men...not women. That won't ever, get most women turned on. There are other ways to bend it that way and portray it more convincingly.

-I agree, watching a video while fooling around with your gf can be fun. But having to always RATCHET up...when will it end?

-Given how much porn exists...there must be alot of women i seclusion who are in porn...the pictures are digitally altered, and everyone woman is in porn, OR, they use the same women, time after time, and alter the pictures. Of all the porn I've seen...they must be centralized in a compound, b/c it's impossibly to believe that I've NEVER seen a pornstar, aside from my buddy's friend who's a midgit pornstar.


A-Unit
 

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Read it and weep:

http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html#anchor7




I have recently been thinking about this:

mastrubation makes us give up instead of going for it. I just came back from a class with a real hottie..but I didn't go for it, so now I have the option to mastrubate while thinking about her.. this is pretty detremental to my success with women however..at least super hot women.

Porn on the other hand... well porn makes you more selective..so when you do go out, you keep wanting to get the super hot girls...yet you give in and go mastrubate instead.. so a vicious cycle perhaps?

Rollo, you have been quiet on this thread, chime in. Also, you're first name isn't paul by any chance, is it?
 

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Oxide said:
Rollo, you have been quiet on this thread, chime in. Also, you're first name isn't paul by any chance, is it?
Uh,..you did read my post at #6, yes? No, not Paul, Gene, Ace or Peter either :rolleyes:.

Good find on those stats BTW.

I think a big mistake is to think that porn is all some homogenous product produced by sleeze merchants in various large cities. It's a myth that all pornstars are strung out exploited junkies, only fukking on camera to get their next fix. Regular people living right next door to you are consuming (for lack of a better term) AND producing their own amateur porn that in turn is also being consumed by others. Sh!t, college frats and sororrities are producing their own now. When you look at the stats OXIDE provided, you'll see a sharp increase in production and revenue during the inception of the internet. People want to fukk and they want to see other people fukk too, it's not terribly hard to understand, but the accessibility is far more convenient. I expect that as soon as some new technology comes along that astronomically increases bandwidth you'll see another spike in porn.

I don't think it's a question of eroding morals, but simple accessibility. Biology trumps conviction and you're not going to mediate a person's desire to do something. That's not to say we lack self-control in our behaviors, we can, but it's the undrlying impulse that wont be controlled. Couple this with the immediate and annonymous accessibility to sex that the internet and new media provides and we'll indulge in our impulses.

I'm actually inclined to agree with the article linked - women are increasingly going to have to model themselves to what men physically desire more and more often as expectations change. Maybe this is the turnabout that men have needed since feminism began conditioning men to model themselves to better fit a feminized ideal? I think the only reason the original writer of this felt he was "destroyed" was due in fact to this feminized conditioning. Why should a man feel guilt about wanting tap the hottest, most sexually prime women he can realistically attain any more than a woman filtering her own intimacy in return for the man best capable of providing her with long term security?
 

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As far as porn goes it gave us an impression of how woman should look like. These porn stars have fake tits, fake azes, plasic surgery, fake lips, everything about them is fake. Very few woman on the street will be able to match up with a porn star.

Same thing with the guys. These pornstars are fvcking all hung like horses. They make the average size penis look very small.

If you watch an 80's porno you will see the body of male and female more closely resemble the female and male in reallife.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
I'm actually inclined to agree with the article linked - women are increasingly going to have to model themselves to what men physically desire more and more often as expectations change.
Adapt or die. Just like they did with us. I am too fine with that! :)

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Maybe this is the turnabout that men have needed since feminism began conditioning men to model themselves to better fit a feminized ideal?
Yes. Finally!

Rollo Tomassi said:
I think the only reason the original writer of this felt he was "destroyed" was due in fact to this feminized conditioning.
Totally agree!

Rollo Tomassi said:
Why should a man feel guilt about wanting tap the hottest, most sexually prime women he can realistically attain any more than a woman filtering her own intimacy in return for the man best capable of providing her with long term security?
I see this dynamic (and all the others, in fact) you point out every fuggin day at college. I don't know if you remember when I posted this back in the day, but it's still going on strong.

It will be a hell lot of fun, to say the least, when men start to demand porn star looks of women! :crackup:

At least I am making the most of myself so I can successfully do this without even blinking :)
 
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