"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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OC Speedball said:
Ok, so I used it, and the first reply I got was, "Is this spam?"

All you have to do is reply: No it's not. You are only the 1,234,876th person who I've sent it to.

They still reply back. Then ask them how they are liking the site so far..and normal conversation..
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Zarky said:
Well, I started liking this thread, but now I'm not so sure. The fact that the OP has never actually met the women he's contacted, plus this issue of a substantially different response rate for his "good looking" fake profile, makes me really question the veracity of this whole thing.

I'm just not buying it anymore, sorry man. Doesn't mesh with my 9 years of online dating experience. Seems about as believable as the guys who claim they pull "7s through 9s" at clubs "every week."

Tell you what OP, if you come out with some lay reports from the women you met online, then you might have enough experience to tell us how it's done. But getting them to talk to you on POF is only about 20% of the job. Turning that into a lay is the difficult part.

If you actually care to meet those chicks you can. Depending on your conversation skills. Like I've repeated over and over again. Most of them have serious issues and are using online dating for a good reason. I choose to meet people in real life and use that site to break balls.

The good looking guy got a 98% reply rate with a bland profile and bland email.

I'm good looking but not phenomenal yet can still get them to reply and keep replying.

I'm now emailing different chicks asking for 'advice' on a pet story I made up. I'm already getting positive replies off that.

Believe it or not. True story.
 

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Zarky said:
Well, I started liking this thread, but now I'm not so sure. The fact that the OP has never actually met the women he's contacted, plus this issue of a substantially different response rate for his "good looking" fake profile, makes me really question the veracity of this whole thing.

I'm just not buying it anymore, sorry man. Doesn't mesh with my 9 years of online dating experience. Seems about as believable as the guys who claim they pull "7s through 9s" at clubs "every week."

Tell you what OP, if you come out with some lay reports from the women you met online, then you might have enough experience to tell us how it's done. But getting them to talk to you on POF is only about 20% of the job. Turning that into a lay is the difficult part.
I second this. In my experience of POF I'd actually suggest doing much the opposite of what the OP describes. Being yourself, going for quantity over quality and making an effort to form connections with women goes much further.

And yes, talking to women online is easy. Meeting up, having a good date that ends with a kiss, sex or a second date is the real challenge...and the most fulfilling part of course.

I don't understand why someone would put so much effort into setting up profiles, sending messages when they're not getting the big payoff at the end.
 

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I signed up for a POF and OKC account, so far my POF account is just fat girls telling me I'm hot. OKC actually had 3 hits in a few days from relatively good looking women.

Maybe it's just my location but IMO POF sucks.
 

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It should be called PlentyOfFatties. Any woman that's a legit 6 or above is usually just on here for attention and an ego boost or the slight chance that some hunky fireman will rescue them from "all this."
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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OKCupid's decent but the girls are just sending me messages like "Hi" and "how are you". How fvcking boring is that? I finally just got sick of it and sent this after she asked me "how are you":

You can do better than that. Ask me about my hopes or dreams or what I ate for lunch - something I can work with!

Like, for example, here. Say you were in a plane flying over the ocean (don't ask me which, as it's really not relevant) and the pilot fell asleep at the wheel and it was going down fast, would you jump out to end it sooner or hold on in the off chance that you could fashion a raft out of a bunch of seat cushions and re-enact some Tom Hanks/Bear Grylls shiz?
 
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It all boils down to your pics, in particular your main pic. If you aren't really really good looking, don't even bother with a 6 plus on that site. Women DON'T EVEN READ the profile or message if they don't like your pics. I'm not an ugly guy, not an ugly face, in shape etc...but get no replies or even views from the decent looking women I message, in fact get blocked sometimes.

These lame "ciao bella" messages (that I don't think work anyway) don't mean sh*t if you aren't a male model on that site.

That's why real life is better. There are attractive women out there that aren't looking for male models in real life, it's just a matter of playing the numbers game and not taking rejection seriously.
 

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Either you're undervaluing your looks or overrating the looks of the women you're meeting.

I too have done the "Hot Guy" experiment...Perfect 10 type guy, big muscles, perfect face with a blank profile, called myself "GymAddict" and saying simply "Hey" as a message and having women throw their numbers at me, nude pics and the like. I even said douche stuff eventually like "You have a lot of competition" and they'd say "What do I have to do to stand out?"
 

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What about pics of you doing daredevil stuff...I'm thinking pics of me doing a bicycle jump or standing on the ledge of a tall building....I have pictures of both. I wonder would this spark conversation or would they think I'm stupid or crazy......
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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OC Speedball said:
Ok, so I used it, and the first reply I got was, "Is this spam?"
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rhcp83 said:
Either you're undervaluing your looks or overrating the looks of the women you're meeting.

I too have done the "Hot Guy" experiment...Perfect 10 type guy, big muscles, perfect face with a blank profile, called myself "GymAddict" and saying simply "Hey" as a message and having women throw their numbers at me, nude pics and the like. I even said douche stuff eventually like "You have a lot of competition" and they'd say "What do I have to do to stand out?"
It works for the first message and then they never respond. Woah, is this true? ^

I'm gonna hangout with that dude that starts all the black threads on here and cry together with him, now.
 

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I changed my POF profile to this and i'm getting nothing but compliments about it. A girl that blew me off with my old profile totally chatted me up with this new profile posted. I had actually closed my old POF account and reopened a new one a while ago with new pics then added this to my profile and came across the total HB10 that blew me off before, so i decided to try her again and got a MUCH better response. OP totally nailed it with this one. I even hung out last night (just 3 days) with a lil honey that also complimented me on the profile initially not the prettiest thing but she'd make a good local bootycall. First person ever I hang with from a dating site so this does work. Some chick did mail me telling me she wanted to smack me for being a total jerk and below is my response to her, rofl.

You obviously didnt read the first part where I basically say it's a joke. It's meant to be funny. And I receive alot of compliments on it being funny and original from ladies that READ the whole friggin profile. But i'm glad I could fuel your misguided estrogen rage at least for a while Happy Friday! Loosen up toots!

Oh and I forgot to mention I messaged the ladies with a regular message, not the template one found here about penguins or something. Just the most creative greeting I could muster up. I just felt that was too over the top, too much energy for me. I didnt want to follow that up in like form so I didnt use it.
 

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I made up a new profile "about me" testing with it. Saved the original on email:

So here I am sitting on the couch watching a very intellectual movie (probably above your aptitude). Transformers: Dark Side of The Moon. And I was thinking to myself, you know my life is so relaxing and easy right now, I'd really just like to screw it all up and have a beautiful girl here to gripe at me for being lazy, or to make me watch horrible chick flicks, or God forbid listen to how horrible her day was!

Now I know what you are thinking. How could this friggin STUD muffin possibly be single?!

Well let me tell you ladies it isn't easy being a sex idol. I have those women of Wal-Mart, you know the ones that haven't shaved in months, are barefoot and have 3 baby daddies, those being barefoot as well, hitting on me non- stop. It takes the self-control of a statue to turn them down. I mean think about it, it would be like my very own Britney Spears!

And let us not forget the older ladies. Yeah I'll admit it, I'm sort of a cougar trap. I think it’s my dashing good looks, or maybe my swagger. But who really knows? All I know is it's a supply and demand world out there and Naughty Ninja is in short supply I can assure you.

So let me just tell you time is running out for you sexy women on here looking for the perfect man. I mean here I am if you don't scoop me up it's your own fault. Don't be hating on the girl I'm with in the future when you are married to a Joe Pesci, Clint Howard, or Drew Carrey.
 

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One other quick tip to try.

Take your main picture and turn it completely upside down and then save it as your main picture. Chicks will either email you first telling you your picture is upside down or send it attached with your email. They'll see every other dude and their curiosity may be piqued by seeing the one guy with his main picture in the sea of dudes turned completely upside down. Will test shortly.

Caption it so that it says something like: "I've been turned out by Plenty of Fish!" or "Help me sweet baby Jesus!"
 

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Naughty, once again I got another bite using your profile. Local girl, pretty but has kids... not really my cup of tea but whatever. She actually had a similar profile! Whats important is that first contact was made by her, a little more proof this approach works. This thread taught me that the last thing you want on your profile is just you talking about yourself or your interests, it's boring and doesnt stand out. Better to do something creative, opinionated, witty and draw people with similar characters to you that way, through expression. As soon as I have some spare time and the creative juices flowing I plan on making my own similar sarcastic type profile geared a bit more towards my interests.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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