"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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jobluek

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Here's the situation: I'm 25, a college graduate (and currently an MBA student) with a full-time job and legitimate career with a solid salary, my own place, and have a good group of friends. In other words, my career path is right on track. I feel that I'm very good with people in general. However, I haven't been with a girl since college, and despite what I consider extremely good social behavior, haven't hooked up with a lady in almost three years. Obviously, I'm doing something wrong, which is why I am here looking for help.

I've read the DJ Bible, and have incorporated a lot of what I've read into my daily behavior. I feel as though I am confident and have good self-esteeem. However, I'll give you a brief "field report" of what happened tonight, which I feel is typical of my weekly weekend:

A group of ~4-5 of us go to a (trendy) bar, grab a table and get drinks. Chill. I see a lady I fancy, I approach and say hi, she seems cool. I initiate minor kino (touching her shoulder, hip, etc.) and she reciprocates. I feel as though things are going well. After a few minutes, some song comes on that she wants to dance. I hate dancing. After I won't follow her to the dance floor, she dances in place. I leave back to my table of friends. I approach her again ~10 minutes later, and when another song comes on and I won't go to the dance floor, she dances in place. I play along (I'm a little more tipsy at the point), but again, am horrible at dancing, and it's pretty obvious. I get called the fool so go back to my friends.

Later in the night (near bar close), I'll make another approach and we talk some more. Some more minor kino, she seems cool, and I number close. However, this is a typical pattern that I've experienced and I'm not confident that it will lead to anything.

Based on this, I feel my issue is with my dancing. I will admit, I am horrible at it. Is this a fatal flaw? Or am I going to the wrong venues? This bar is like my Cheers; the bartenders know my name, the music is decent, and the people are good looking. However, the fact that on Friday/Saturday is it a sportsbar/danceclub really rocks my game.

So tell me, how do I fix this?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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jobluek said:
Here's the situation: I'm 25, a college graduate (and currently an MBA student) with a full-time job and legitimate career with a solid salary, my own place, and have a good group of friends. In other words, my career path is right on track. I feel that I'm very good with people in general. However, I haven't been with a girl since college, and despite what I consider extremely good social behavior, haven't hooked up with a lady in almost three years. Obviously, I'm doing something wrong, which is why I am here looking for help.

I've read the DJ Bible, and have incorporated a lot of what I've read into my daily behavior. I feel as though I am confident and have good self-esteeem. However, I'll give you a brief "field report" of what happened tonight, which I feel is typical of my weekly weekend:

A group of ~4-5 of us go to a (trendy) bar, grab a table and get drinks. Chill. I see a lady I fancy, I approach and say hi, she seems cool. I initiate minor kino (touching her shoulder, hip, etc.) and she reciprocates. I feel as though things are going well. After a few minutes, some song comes on that she wants to dance. I hate dancing. After I won't follow her to the dance floor, she dances in place. I leave back to my table of friends. I approach her again ~10 minutes later, and when another song comes on and I won't go to the dance floor, she dances in place. I play along (I'm a little more tipsy at the point), but again, am horrible at dancing, and it's pretty obvious. I get called the fool so go back to my friends.

Later in the night (near bar close), I'll make another approach and we talk some more. Some more minor kino, she seems cool, and I number close. However, this is a typical pattern that I've experienced and I'm not confident that it will lead to anything.

Based on this, I feel my issue is with my dancing. I will admit, I am horrible at it. Is this a fatal flaw? Or am I going to the wrong venues? This bar is like my Cheers; the bartenders know my name, the music is decent, and the people are good looking. However, the fact that on Friday/Saturday is it a sportsbar/danceclub really rocks my game.

So tell me, how do I fix this?
dancing isn't your problem, you need to be meeting LOTS of new women constantly, get out there and start approaching.
 

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jobluek said:
Here's the situation: I'm 25, a college graduate (and currently an MBA student) with a full-time job and legitimate career with a solid salary, my own place, and have a good group of friends. In other words, my career path is right on track. I feel that I'm very good with people in general. However, I haven't been with a girl since college, and despite what I consider extremely good social behavior, haven't hooked up with a lady in almost three years. Obviously, I'm doing something wrong, which is why I am here looking for help.

I've read the DJ Bible, and have incorporated a lot of what I've read into my daily behavior. I feel as though I am confident and have good self-esteeem. However, I'll give you a brief "field report" of what happened tonight, which I feel is typical of my weekly weekend:

A group of ~4-5 of us go to a (trendy) bar, grab a table and get drinks. Chill. I see a lady I fancy, I approach and say hi, she seems cool. I initiate minor kino (touching her shoulder, hip, etc.) and she reciprocates. I feel as though things are going well. After a few minutes, some song comes on that she wants to dance. I hate dancing. After I won't follow her to the dance floor, she dances in place. I leave back to my table of friends. I approach her again ~10 minutes later, and when another song comes on and I won't go to the dance floor, she dances in place. I play along (I'm a little more tipsy at the point), but again, am horrible at dancing, and it's pretty obvious. I get called the fool so go back to my friends.

Later in the night (near bar close), I'll make another approach and we talk some more. Some more minor kino, she seems cool, and I number close. However, this is a typical pattern that I've experienced and I'm not confident that it will lead to anything.

Based on this, I feel my issue is with my dancing. I will admit, I am horrible at it. Is this a fatal flaw? Or am I going to the wrong venues? This bar is like my Cheers; the bartenders know my name, the music is decent, and the people are good looking. However, the fact that on Friday/Saturday is it a sportsbar/danceclub really rocks my game.

So tell me, how do I fix this?
OK dude, you were in with that girl in the scenario you gave. You should've started talking about where she lives, basically afterpartry type stuff. You could've lead her back to your place but you never built the bridge. Do you ever call these numbers a day or to later?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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