"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I've been told today online by many women that i have a nice guy/beta face

Basically they have told me i look harmless/too good/not very masculine. I guess what they want to say is i dont have sex appeal.

I have 41 y/o, i'm asperger, still a virgin, i dont know if it shows in the pictures, but it's my face, its what i've been dealt with

Do you Don Juanitas and Djs agree? Is this right?

Here's my album

http://imgur.com/a/YTcD3

They said its the last 2 pictures, the one i look aloof and the other one with a woman

Its my face, ive always looked like this, this same face. I had some brazilian women that i dont look like bad boy.... but i never payed attention.

Please djs/don juanitas help me out. I need to know what to do, how can i look less nice/ beta
 

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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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do you think i look feminine or nice? if so what can i change and how? ive always looked like this, maybe my nice guy looking face is what has been hindering all this time. i guess its my eyes, they lack something
 

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**** this. is it lack of testosterone? what gives the beta face / harmless vibe?
 
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Why do you keep starting threads posting pics of yourself and looking for validation. Look inside yourself for that.
 

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Why do you keep starting threads posting pics of yourself and looking for validation. Look inside yourself for that.
i have the conversation with this woman, does it serve as proof im not making this **** up? i cant care less for validation i just want to know if this is something physical or psychological that a woman can see in pictures. The photo with the woman i'm seeing should serve as rapport and not even that matters for women. They just see me as a nice harmless low smv guy.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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this is what i was told by a guy in reddit:

15 minutes ago
You do look like a niceguy. Like a Reddit poster type of person perhaps. You don't have a ****y badboy look. I don't have the answer I'm afraid.
 

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You show lack of high t traits

here's what you would need to look more alpha
more prominent brow ridge/eye hooding
long ramus
large jaw
large zygos
thick neutral or positively set eyebrows
 

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Dude, first of all, calm down. You're making 3 posts in a row without an answer back. Control yourself.

Secondly, the face has little to do with the vibe you give. The face is an external feature that is composed of the eyes, your mimics and then there;s your body posture. The vibe, on the other hand, is something internal. Yes, it is influenced and shaped by external experiences, but it remains mostly internal. Your eyes will show how you feel inside. If you're scared, your eyes will look scared. If you feel like being the nice guy, your eyes and face and body will show that vibe. Practically, what I am saying is that your external being shows what your internal being feels. It mirrors it.

That is why it doesn't practically matter how you look, it matters how you feel like looking, if that makes any sense to you. You sound insecure and in need of social proof to be convinced you look like that or like this or that you are like that or like this. I say try to chill out, look inside of you. What is it that';s making you insecure? Is it your condition? If yes, can you work with a therapist? If not, I think it would do you good to take a look around the forum, plenty of good threads here regarding inner feelings.

Take it easy.
 
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Come one man, we talked about this. There is nothing wrong with your face, only your thoughts. The women tell you that you have a beta face because you are behaving like one.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Dude..... This again ?

Sounds like you have: Body Dysmorphic Disorder

"Body dysmorphic disorder is a mental disorder in which you can't stop thinking about one or more perceived defects or flaws in your appearance — a flaw that, to others, is either minor or not observable. But you may feel so ashamed and anxious that you may avoid many social situations."

You look like a normal guy.... Stop obsessing...
 

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Dude..... This again ?

Sounds like you have: Body Dysmorphic Disorder

"Body dysmorphic disorder is a mental disorder in which you can't stop thinking about one or more perceived defects or flaws in your appearance — a flaw that, to others, is either minor or not observable. But you may feel so ashamed and anxious that you may avoid many social situations."

You look like a normal guy.... Stop obsessing...
those posts arent mine, things i've been told to make me realize what is wrong

some guy told me tatoos and roids are my only chance to get rid of the nice guy aura, it is that or surgery
 

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those posts arent mine, things i've been told to make me realize what is wrong

some guy told me tatoos and roids are my only chance to get rid of the nice guy aura, it is that or surgery
As I can see the only problem is in your head, so stop thinking BS and just live your life.
 

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As I can see the only problem is in your head, so stop thinking BS and just live your life.
why do you say its in my head?

Having 120 women visiting me on a dating site and no one leaving a message or replying to me and the only one that does says i look too nice and harmless. That she doesnt like beta guys. Would you feel good about it im sure you wouldnt.

Its like you say its my head, because thats the only people say to ugly/beta guys. **** this, you dont know me, my life, what i go through.

I created a fake profile with the photos of another guy and these bitches who do not reply to me, are all open and nice with the guy in the fake pic

its my head?

sure it is


the ****in ***** im seeing says she has no time for me and that her whole attention and priority is her 18 year old daughter, and keeps showing me the guys that are hitting on her on tinder, the number of messages she gets, im just a ****in loser with an ugly beta face.

you tell me its my head?

sure, im dreaming all this, im a crazy guy who should be on a mental institution
 

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I've been comin here for a little over a year now. I can recall this topic several different times. At least give us some different pictures. Lol
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Pal, it comes down to making an effort to consistently meet new women.

Answer this honestly. How man women are you meeting each week? Are you making the best effort you can to do this?

This could be online, via dating apps, through a social circle, through day game, etc.

You could be the most perfect, masculine guy on the planet and there are still going to be women who don't want to have anything to do with you.

I think you're waiting for women to give you some type of signal that you're normal or good enough to get intimate with them. You are never going to be perfect. Ever. None of us are.

The way to overcome this is to, again, consistently meet new women and escalate with them. Don't be ashamed to hit on women and let them know you want sex from them.

I'm in sales and the key to being a good salesman is to consistently keep adding new leads to your pipeline. NEW LEADS. You have to keep meeting new women and not being afraid to just go for it. You can read all you want to on this website about how to escalate with a woman to where you get her have sex with you, but that won't matter unless you are truly making an effort to meet new women each week. Just keep your pipeline filled.

Again, only you know whether or not you are truly making your best effort to do this.

Unless you are horrendously disfigured, which you're not, or grossly overweight, which it doesn't look like you are, there are women out there who will happily talk to you, go out on dates with you, have sex with you and ultimately have a relationship with you. You just have to meet enough of them.

You've got to stay out of your head to. You're so convinced that something is wrong with you that you are paralyzing yourself from doing anything about your situation. It's a vicious cycle. So what if women say you have a nice guy face? Just say "Yeah? You say that like it's a bad thing ;)" and go from there.

Effort is key. Make a list and keep a tally. Make it a goal for yourself that you will ask out one new woman a week for the rest of your life. Don't focus on the results, just make sure you are checking that tally off each week. I GUARANTEE if you start doing this, a year from now, you'll be in a totally different position than you are now. I can practically guarantee you that you won't be a virgin anymore.

But again, not to beat a dead horse here, you and you alone know if you are making the effort to do this. It's NOT easy, but if you want something bad enough you will find a way to do it. Just don't ever give up.
 

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Dude... Calm down.

You look totally okay to me. If you still care about how other people think about you (especially girls) then you are still a nice guy.

Internet is full of trolls. Why do you want to trust them about how you look?

You have a big insecurity problem.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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