Playing Hardball

[bigneil]

Tonight my favorite girl agreed to see me this weekend but revealed that she had certain insecurities. Rather than apologize I chose to cancel the plans and she became more obedient than I have ever seen her. So I pushed it further. I told her I was just about to fire her as my model because she had postponed the lingerie shoot. She practically begged me not to. So I forced her to jump through several hoops (making her do some work for our next trip) and she eagerly agreed to do it. She started calling me "love" in her messages again. Then she opened up and told me her dark secret (it turns out she was molested as a child and I had randomly triggered memories by chance with my photo shoot plans, with things like colors). This allowed us to move past this barrier that was causing implied friction.

The moral is, you need to test your girl's mettle at some point. First, you push her to her boundaries (make her say no), then you pull back to your own boundary, the point she holds on tight (make her say don't go). At that point, you know exactly where you stand.

 

[Bingo-Player]

The moral is, you need to test your girl's mettle at some point. First, you push her to her boundaries (make her say no), then you pull back to your own boundary, the point she holds on tight (make her say don't go). At that point, you know exactly where you stand.

yes but at what stage does this become relevant , because im pretty sure unless the chick was high interest

im pretty sure if you tried doing this at the intoductory / first meeting stage she would just withdraw completely from you

 

[bigneil]

How is that a secret given her profession?

I don't think we can assume all strippers were molested. Also, each has their own story that needs to be dealt with.

yes but at what stage does this become relevant , because im pretty sure unless the chick was high interest

im pretty sure if you tried doing this at the intoductory / first meeting stage she would just withdraw completely from you

Of course. This can only be done once they want to maintain the relationship. Also, we have no guarantee they won't simply let us walk. Part of this is being truly willing to end it. She actually wrote "I will do whatever you say" at one point. I think girls want us to push them away sometimes. Otherwise they worry we were too easy for them. Somehow she needed this. Poon King alluded to this when he said people don't trust those who do too many favors for them. I might have done too much at that point and had drawn suspicion, so I needed to shake things up.

 

[The Duke]

Why do you guys hang out with girls you have to constantly play games with?

 

[bigneil]

Why do you guys hang out with girls you have to constantly play games with?

Winner! Most pessimistic outlook possible.

I get an HB9+ to beg me not to leave her and say "I will do anything you want", and she is en route, and members (who previously insisted she had low interest for not returning a text and who are watching online porn in their dorm) pretend it's a bad thing when she sends 30 full page text messages explaining things.

It's almost tragic to observe that most members here act like they have never got past a second date, yet want to give relationship advice. The record will show that I was fully confident she would come through. I own her now.

 

[Poon King]

Why do you guys hang out with girls you have to constantly play games with?

Some men care about getting results.

You can sit on your high horse and let women exploit you if you prefer that. But some men like to WIN at life and some men like having leverage.

Moralizing and talking about "how things SHOULD be" doesn't get results in the real world.

 

[The Duke]

Some men care about getting results.

You can sit on your high horse and let women exploit you if you prefer that. But some men like to WIN at life and some men like having leverage.

Moralizing and talking about "how things SHOULD be" doesn't get results in the real world.

Poon, there was a time many years ago I was willing to play the stupid games to get the pu$$y, but eventually I grew tired of it. I simply walked away and went elsewhere to get results. I wasn't so hard up for a piece of a$$ that I had to tolerate schitty behavior and play stupid games. You preach this all the time, yet here you are saying a guy should put up with games to get pu$$y???? You sound like a woman. You are all over the road lately.

 

[The Duke]

Winner! Most pessimistic outlook possible.

I get an HB9+ to beg me not to leave her and say "I will do anything you want", and she is en route, and members (who previously insisted she had low interest for not returning a text and who are watching online porn in their dorm) pretend it's a bad thing when she sends 30 full page text messages explaining things.

It's almost tragic to observe that most members here act like they have never got past a second date, yet want to give relationship advice. The record will show that I was fully confident she would come through. I own her now.

wow, sounds like she really wanted to keep her job as a "model".

 

[bigneil]

There was a time many years ago I was willing to play the stupid games to get the pu$$y, but eventually I grew tired of it. I simply walked away and went elsewhere to get results.

You mean you played hardball? You mean you did the purpose of this OP? Yet you want to pretend to be on a different plane?

As I wrote, when I tried to walk away and she promised unlimited sex for the next few days, I accepted her offer. I don't know any other girls half as hot as her. Keep pretending you have unlimited playmates. Hopefully someday a hot girl will offer you unlimited sex. In the meantime, you can keep trying to think of reasons why my life seems too good to be true.

wow, sounds like she really wanted to keep her job as a "model".

Unlike you armchair seducers, most of whom are Muslim and pining for an arranged marriage, I've published photos of the "model" and they scored 99 percentile, along with 20 other women. Hence, I have so many people pissed off.

Show us photos of your women. Oh, wait, we can see them on xvideos.com.

Good luck losing your virginity by senior year in college Howie "Stern".

 

[wifehunter]

Tonight my favorite girl agreed to see me this weekend but revealed that she had certain insecurities. Rather than apologize I chose to cancel the plans and she became more obedient than I have ever seen her. So I pushed it further. I told her I was just about to fire her as my model because she had postponed the lingerie shoot. She practically begged me not to. So I forced her to jump through several hoops (making her do some work for our next trip) and she eagerly agreed to do it. She started calling me "love" in her messages again. Then she opened up and told me her dark secret (it turns out she was molested as a child and I had randomly triggered memories by chance with my photo shoot plans, with things like colors). This allowed us to move past this barrier that was causing implied friction.

The moral is, you need to test your girl's mettle at some point. First, you push her to her boundaries (make her say no), then you pull back to your own boundary, the point she holds on tight (make her say don't go). At that point, you know exactly where you stand.

Ah, the dance.

 

[bigneil]

In my opinion, last night was the culmination of 25 years of practice (special thanks to SS members, with honorable mention to Poon King who has been focusing on this issue with laser precision of late - in fact I should have made this a subset of his Power of Saying No post). While she is yet to arrive for her date, I'm honestly wondering if I could have seduced this woman any more effectively (it took 14 weeks from when I got her number). I think it is essential for the man to walk away in order to set the hook. She literally gave away all of her power on the spot - but I had to risk losing her. Not only that, she WANTED to give away all her power. Women don't want the power! She was breathing a sigh of relief that I finally was man enough to take the power back. I expect many a whining feminist to post here now.

 

[wifehunter]

In my opinion, last night was the culmination of 25 years of practice (special thanks to SS members, with honorable mention to Poon King who has been focusing on this issue with laser precision of late - in fact I should have made this a subset of his Power of Saying No post). While she is yet to arrive for her date, I'm honestly wondering if I could have seduced this woman any more effectively (it took 14 weeks from when I got her number). I think it is essential for the man to walk away in order to set the hook. She literally gave away all of her power on the spot - but I had to risk losing her. Not only that, she WANTED to give away all her power. Women don't want the power! She was breathing a sigh of relief that I finally was man enough to take the power back. I expect many a whining feminist to post here now.

You let her be a woman!!! Great work!!!

 

[zekko]

First off, I completely agree that you should always be willing to walk away. That should be a given.

But I also agree with Howie, if you have to constantly play games with a woman to get her compliance, she's not worth it. The molestation is also a big red flag, unfortunately. But just being a stripper would be a dealbreaker for me. Sounds crazy to me, but Neil likes it, so I guess it works for him.

By the way, the opposite of "don't hang out with girls you constantly have to play games with" is not "let women exploit you".

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I was willing to play the stupid games to get the pu$$y, but eventually I grew tired of it. I simply walked away and went elsewhere to get results. I wasn't so hard up for a piece of a$$ that I had to tolerate schitty behavior and play stupid games.

I agree with this attitude. It's got nothing to do with being a super hero red pill alpha king and forcing women to behave.

It's a simple matter of economics.

What do I have to do in order to get what I want from girl X?

Is it worth it?

It's like in sales. There are guys that LOVE the "hard sell" because it feels good, it "proves" how powerful they are, but it takes a lot of effort. You could use the SAME AMOUNT OF ENERGY on sorting for high probability candidates (which is easy and not frustrating) that don't require all kinds of manipulative tactics.

But some men like to WIN at life and some men like having leverage.

There's leverage over a WOMAN, and then there's leverage over WOMEN that one gains when you feel, on a deep level, that most women are simply NOT WORTH YOUR TIME.

 

[CMNILS87]

Some men care about getting results.

You can sit on your high horse and let women exploit you if you prefer that. But some men like to WIN at life and some men like having leverage.

Moralizing and talking about "how things SHOULD be" doesn't get results in the real world.

Win at life lol...... He mashed up some bull**** to walk circles around Her issue till he got results. What a run around dude.

It was a total comfort test fail. Instead of just having a deep conversation and getting the root of the issue, he had to play a game and get her to beg to finally open up about moleststion. If this was his true main and he really enjoyed her presence and her as a person, there's no way he'd play such a gambit to **** with her.....especially the nonsense 2 weeks ago about how he created a thread about "worried about losing this girl and trying to be a more ripped sexy guy".

This is like the highest level of redundancy lately. You can't be canceling and trying to reframe **** 24/7 to feel in power, which in the end means you're not and also taking about losing a special girl.

 

[bigneil]

I love when men pretend they have enough options to throw away a 21 year old HB9+ girl who they have oneitis for. I might have lot of women, but not that many.

The bottom line: this girl is now putty in my hands. She is texting me love letters as I speak. How anyone can say she should be disqualified for having had ONE delayed date in 3+ months of dating, around the holidays, when she lives with a guy, is mind boggling. You say I should walk away until I get what I want? I got it.

 

[bigneil]

Win at life lol...... He mashed up some bull**** to walk circles around Her issue till he got results. What a run around dude. .

Wrong. When I tried to walk away she was forced to tell me the ugly truth, and we got through her story.

Show us the girl you have that is rated in the 99 percentile on multiple photos, and who is in her prime, and we might take you seriously. You guys don't even have dates, nevermind 10's.

What a bunch of pretenders here, acting like they have so many dream girls they can throw them away if they mess up ONE time, even if they apologize. Why get a new girl if the one you had starts acting the way you hoped?

I'm happy my dream girl is now gushing. Sorry if many of you think I should go back to jerking off like you are.

 

[The Duke]

Reading this forum for the past few days has been great comedy! There are some real characters on here.

 

[Poon King]

Win at life lol...... He mashed up some bull**** to walk circles around Her issue till he got results. What a run around dude.

It was a total comfort test fail. Instead of just having a deep conversation and getting the root of the issue, he had to play a game and get her to beg to finally open up about moleststion. If this was his true main and he really enjoyed her presence and her as a person, there's no way he'd play such a gambit to **** with her.....especially the nonsense 2 weeks ago about how he created a thread about "worried about losing this girl and trying to be a more ripped sexy guy".

This is like the highest level of redundancy lately. You can't be canceling and trying to reframe **** 24/7 to feel in power, which in the end means you're not and also taking about losing a special girl.

Who cares?

If he got the result he wanted on HIS terms then he won the game. Plain and simple. F*cking women is a sport at the end of the day. Sports have strategies and they are basically "games".

However.. I agree that no man should ever "fear" losing a woman. That's when you enter co-dependence.

 

[bigneil]

The #1 online dating subject? How to get an ex back. Here we have an actual super model who was never an ex to begin with, who I've published photos of that were rated 99%, and people are saying "No! Dump her! It's permanently over because she didn't text back that one time!!"

They wish.

These people are pretending they have an abundance of supermodels who behaved so perfectly that they can dump them for one transgression, ever! Even if they could, it's still worth keeping supermodels around. This is the "compare you to perfection" disinformation strategy.

In seduction, the end (her worshipping you) justifies the means (you put your foot down over Promissory Estopple laws).

Stay tuned for lingerie photos. Some of you can look at them and masturbate.