"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Playing devils advocate on Stage 5 clingers
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Is no one on this forum actually dating real life women or do you all just "vet" the clingers out early and never have to deal with it?
I'm bringing this up because it seems like the stage 5 is only a problem when you are not that into them. They can sense it and it makes them more possessive and controlling. But when you like them back, its almost like having your own sex slave. I'm sleeping with a really clingy girl right now and I'm actually having a blast with it.
I'd love to have a lot of sex slaves that would even let me live with 2 of them together and bang two together too
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Yes, when you come across this type of woman, something is off with her…
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
I think clingers only get totally out of hand when they are allowed to get away with lesser offenses earlier because of their weak partner.
On the other hand though, you can’t really control another persons behavior on a long term basis…
Yeah she is already planning things months in advance. I'm sure it will eventually get old, but for now I'm enjoying the great sex and Godly worship.
I've got a strong enough frame to set boundaries and I never do anything unless I want to. Not afraid of making her mad because she's a clinger after all. Worst case scenario she stops clinging lol.
Obviously if she shows any psycho behavior I'll drop her with no hesitation. Won't feel bad about it either.
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At first it can be heady, especially if they are attractive & the sex is great...but they are also the ones capable of going Fatal Attraction on you if you aren't careful.
Tread with care & maintain boundaries...she won't.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Bro wondering what’s your point?
Point is clingers can be useful.
Are you some kind of blue piller?
Sociopath is a strong word to throw around on such a dumb whim.
Its rare to have stage 5 clingers these days. Women get waayy to much attention to be clingers on one specific guy for too long. Even the crazy ones can spread their clinginess out to like 10 guys.
They'll cling if they believe you are the highest VALUE man they can get at the moment.
Just because loads of desperate guys are chasing most women.. that doesn't mean those men are attractive to her. Its like if you have a bunch of obese women offering to be your sex slave, it doesn't really do anything for you lol.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.