"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Picking up random girls in the street

thedoc

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What "openers" do you guys use? Don't tell me "a real DJ doesn't need openers" or something like that. As much as I agree with that normally I don't really see a way around it in the street. If I were a girl and some random guy tried to start a conversation with me I would know somethings up.

The only normal stuff I can think of is:
1. ask for a cigarette (I don't smoke)
2. ask for the time (if I ask that I can't pull out my phone to enter her number)
3. ask for directions (makes me seem like a bit of a dunce lol)
4. comment on some clothes or something (best one I can think of)
What about when you're driving and you see a girl? lol unless asking for directions, or parking and walking up I can't think of anything that doesn't make you seem like a creep.

Once again, I realize this is probably the most insignificant part of the pickup but some ideas would be nice. Thanks.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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thedoc said:
1. ask for a cigarette (I don't smoke)
Boring.
2. ask for the time (if I ask that I can't pull out my phone to enter her number)
Boring (and she'll think you're a smoker.)
3. ask for directions (makes me seem like a bit of a dunce lol)
Boring and generic (see a pattern?)
4. comment on some clothes or something (best one I can think of)
Maybe...

My advice: comment on something. Anything. Just don't make it something boring, everyday, and mundane. It's better to come off a little different than it is to come off as generic and boring. Different can be bad OR good, but boring and generic is ALWAYS BAD.

If you really can't think of anything, just ask for her opinion on something a little ridiculous. If you've ever seen/read/heard about "opinion openers" anything in the "Mystery Method", please for the love of god disregard it entirely as you will probably come off as a drunken weirdo.
What about when you're driving and you see a girl? lol unless asking for directions, or parking and walking up I can't think of anything that doesn't make you seem like a creep.
You can drive past, park around the corner, and walk in their direction. It's not creepy if she doesn't know. :up:
 

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Captains right with the last sentence haha it's not creepy if she doesn't know, but the rest is impossible bro.

First lil tip is don't ask for anything that like cost money such as a smoke, join her for a smoke or join her for a drink, you get me?

Captain said anything just don't make it boring and mundane...

Man that is impossible! lol please captain feel free to post an example of something funny and everything that you can just pull off anywhere you may get the opportunity for a great opener and thats great please take it. but 99% of the time you've got nothing at all apart from "hey thats a cool shirt" or "Have you got the time on you please?"

And thats is perfectly FINE! You can't make a perfect opener that makes her think this guys hot, cool, nice, charming, ect.. lol but you can have a opener that starts a conversation that can lead to her thinking that.

An opener is not like a... hard to explain it... It's not a first impression the whole 10 minute conversation is a first impression.

An opener is ONLY a way to start a good, funny, ect.. conversation, an opener is not a way to get her to fall for you, or like you.

Simple fact is don't worry about openers as long as they start a conversation
 

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just go up and intro yourself and go on and have a convo don't worry too much as long as ur entertaining u will be fine
 

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One method that i read up on here is Masculine Power. Which can build attraction and mysteriousness that you can attain in a 20 min conversation in a matter of seconds.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=150895

Also, i know that i think that smoking is unattractive, and most girls would agree with me. I dk maybe they have a smoking fetish (lol) or they smoke themselves, but i wouldn't take the chance. Other than the fact that that doesnt exactly seem like an opener you can build a conversation off of, which is the main goal of openers. lol. The best one would be the last one of the 4, but keep in mind that when you do that you should be GENUINE. So don't bs a comment on her clothes or w/e. A good one would be a visible tattoo that you see (preferably at the lower back. :]) You could make a clever comment on it or something, but that's just a thought that occurred to me. Anyone is free to comment on that.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Snow Plowman

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Welp I'm going to say it how it is...GO UP WITH NOTHING...

But of course that isn't what you want to here and even then you still don't even want to here the lines. Your problem is your mindset, your trying to go in like carbon monoxide. They can't see it coming and it's going to lead to death.

The mindset I have is..."I'm giving her the opportunity to meet me"

So what are some lines???

"Hey your ****ing gorgeous"
"I must say I'm loving your style"
"So what's your adventure's today?"
"Do you know any good places to eat?...I'm thinking about eating human bodies"

Again it's not the lines it's the thought behind what your doing. Getting lines aren't going to help you. Changing your being and expressing yourself 100% with no fear is what will make you effective.
 

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Snow Plowman said:
Welp I'm going to say it how it is...GO UP WITH NOTHING...

But of course that isn't what you want to here and even then you still don't even want to here the lines. Your problem is your mindset, your trying to go in like carbon monoxide. They can't see it coming and it's going to lead to death.

The mindset I have is..."I'm giving her the opportunity to meet me"

So what are some lines???

"Hey your ****ing gorgeous"
"I must say I'm loving your style"
"So what's your adventure's today?"
"Do you know any good places to eat?...I'm thinking about eating human bodies"

Again it's not the lines it's the thought behind what your doing. Getting lines aren't going to help you. Changing your being and expressing yourself 100% with no fear is what will make you effective.
Yeah I know exactly what you mean by mindset and how much of a difference it makes. But for now, I'm definitely not going to try those openers lol. Maybe I'm not ready or confident enough I don't know, but I sure as hell don't see myself saying any of that. I've pushed my boundaries very far but that may be a bit too far for the time being. I completely agree with you on the subject of mindset though, it really is the most important factor.

Wolf said social circle game is easier and he's right. It is a lot easier because you don't have to do anything special, just be yourself.

Whatever, in less than a year I'll never see any of these girls anyway so I'll make the most of every approach lol. I'll post if anything interesting happens.
 

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i like "Hi your cute."

or "Hey im xxx"

or have fun with it and say the first thing that comes to your mind. Have fun with it

No over complicating needed. Its all in the subcom. Just be cool
 

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"Bond. James Bond"

The truth is that it really isn't about what you say so much as how you say it. Whatever you say, say it in such a way that it captures attention. After you've got her attention, talk to her and be fun. Make jokes, ask her for her opinion on something, keep the conversation light and interesting. If you liked meeting her, say so and ask for her number. If not, walk away.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Walk near her and mumble 'Tickle your ass with a feather?' If she grins at you, you are in. If she makes a face and says 'WHAT?' then you say, 'I said, particularly nasty weather.'

A guy I know used to have good luck walking up to a girl and saying 'so, you're a girl, huh?'. Totally stupid, but catches them off guard and makes them laugh.
 
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