"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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picking up a waitress/bartender

oxford comma

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this is one thing i have yet to figure out and of course, it seems like my waitresses are always really hot too. any advice? anyone done it before??
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Crazy you bring this up now. There is this new waitress at the bar that I'm kinda a regular at. I talked to her last Saturday and found out her schedule. I knew she was working tonight so I went there to watch the NBA game. But, it was so busy, and she wasn't my waitress, I just couldn't get it to work out tonight. I just got home from there and I'm kinda disapointed with my lack of success between her and the two girls I was sitting next to at the bar. Oh well. It's tough man.

Use the search tool. Search for "waitress". There is an old post where some guy laid it all out perfectly. It's a great guide to use, but it's still difficult.
 

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I just got a hot 23 year old bartenders number tonight (the second time in 2 weeks I got the digits of a bartender that age, and third bartender in 3 weeks) - and I'm 40. The key is to impress them somehow. Have a special talent. Once they are impressed by you, have a purpose to get together again. Then, don't ask for their number, instruct them to write it down. Say "We should get together and do (xyz) - write your number down for me." and hand her some paper, or tell her to dial it into your phone.
 

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its funny how when you work at the restaurant, hooking up with the waitresses is like the easiest thing ever. haha.

bigneil, whats your special talent? im a little intrigued/confused how you showed her this talent while at a bar. i think the biggest barrier for me is that they just seem so busy. its like i dont get a chance to talk to them really, so i feel like what i say has to be short and very very on point.
 

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oxford comma said:
its funny how when you work at the restaurant, hooking up with the waitresses is like the easiest thing ever. haha.
Being a bartender, I can attest to that for sure... You're with them 5 days a week, so you get to know each other pretty well. Working in a restaurant is a great way to get your **** wet if you're a relatively unmotivated youth such as myself.

Although, it's definitely different trying to pick a girl up at a place you don't work, and probably a lot harder if you haven't worked in the restaurant industry before. But most chicks love to go out for a drink after work, you just need to use common sense about when you talk to them. If I had a full bar in front of me and a girl was insistent about having a conversation with me while I'm trying to deal with 20 some odd people, make drinks for them, and make drinks for the servers.. Well, I'd probably be about as annoyed with her as your waitresses are with you.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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This is good timing. My last couple of posts have been about this. I recently blew it with a beautiful waitress. One thing I learned for sure is you really can't be passive and just rely on her seeing you all the time. This one pretty much delivered herself up on a plate with me, but her working there killed my game, I worried too much about being "one of those" , the guys who just go in there hit on them and ask for their #. Which happens daily.I also spent too much time wondering how much of her niceness/flirting was because of me or just because of being a patron. I realized way too late it was genuine, considering I was never her customer, I saw her outside of work and she was very excited to see me whereas my friends who were at this place as much as I was got no reaction. I guess its always better to try than to live with regret.
 

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Beeblebrox said:
Being a bartender, I can attest to that for sure... You're with them 5 days a week, so you get to know each other pretty well. Working in a restaurant is a great way to get your **** wet if you're a relatively unmotivated youth such as myself.
I heard that before. Restaurants are orgies that serve food. The bussboy is F-ing the waitress. The hostess is F-ing the bartender. The other waitress is F-ing the cook and the manager lol. And so on.

I wish I knew that when I was younger. I would have applied at some restaurants for part-time work.
 
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