"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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saber101

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Okay so i recently realized I can't do phone convos. I'm pretty good in real life, and i can usually gain the interest of most women. But when i get their phone numbers, and it comes time to call them, i just suck. I can't keep a convo going. Especially when the first thing you ask is "whats up" and the chicks response is "nothing." Thats the worst. Its even more difficult when its a chick i met once at a party or something. Yesterday I called this one chick who liked me, and i ended the convo within a minute, because i just couldnt think of anything to say. I need some advice on getting better at this, and i just want to clarify that i DON'T want a guide to phone sex. I want a gf and ive had so many opportunities that went to shiit because i cant talk on the phone. HELP ME!!
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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TheManlyMan

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Talk about sex. Jump for it. Its fun. Most people are insecure talking about sex, so get that on the table and talking will be a lot easier.

Tell her you wanna make a porno or something like that. I'm 3 for 1 on that one.
 

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If she says nothing, then she's boring as hell and I don't see that worth going after.

Whatever floats down your boat.. As for talking about sex, not until you've established rapport. Most of the times it freaks 'em out and they end up calling you a pervert. (this is high school forum after all.)

Keep up to date with gossip and relate what she says to a broader subject till the point where it's easy for you to talk about what you want. Lead the convo, be an Alpha.
 

eminence

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talk about where your going to go on your next date at, thats all the phone should be used for.
 

ryannath

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For real..I called a girl one time...well, not girl, she was 26..anyway, and she said, "hello"....."hey, it's ryannath"...."oh hey ryannath, whats up"...."oh just thought , i'd call ya....can you meet me somewhere"...."sure".....then we arranged it...simple and lasted about 1 min.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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saber101

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ryannath said:
For real..I called a girl one time...well, not girl, she was 26..anyway, and she said, "hello"....."hey, it's ryannath"...."oh hey ryannath, whats up"...."oh just thought , i'd call ya....can you meet me somewhere"...."sure".....then we arranged it...simple and lasted about 1 min.
ah yes. makes sense. what about for the girls that live out of town (ones that i can actually get ass from). should i just not be calling them?
 

Kev07

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the phone is a bad way to have conversation with girls.

phone is good for a few things

1. dates and events, invitations whatever
2. girls using you as an emo tampon

I can keep a fairly good conversation going on the phone, just talking about what's happening, stories, etc. but that all depends on the girl. if she doesn't respond more and input her own stuff, you're sunk.
 
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