"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Persistence vs Chasing

IamJosan

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I've always had girls chasing me but lately the girls I've encountered have require more effort from my part. Since I'm not used to it, it feels like I'm doing more of the 'chasing' as opposed to the girls chasing me.

After many flakes, and ignored texts and such, where does persistence come to play?

I feel like my ego and pride is too big to be chasing girls, so I move on faster than I probably should, and therefore am missing many opportunities that probably could've been reached with a little bit of persistence.

I'm curious to hear your guys' thoughts on this. Do any of you guys feel like this as well? Do some of you just not care and persist until you reach your goal?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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jay_mo

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Well, I just had an experience where I almost gave up on a hot girl because she didn't seem interested enough. She was just not the type that takes initiatives.

By being persistent but patient, I managed to rise her IL and now we are soon to have our 3rd date. It took me several weeks to get there. She is still not taking any initiatives but now when I do she responds quickly and happily.

I never did any "no contact for a week" stuff to make her contact me. If I had I would probably never have heard from her again. This girl seems to appreciate gradually increasing contact - casual stuff, like chat on fb or sms a little now and then. Like they describe in the article below, "putting yourself on her radar".

Be persistent but don't stalk or be annoying. Without patience it's impossible to chase after these kind of girls. They need time and space.

I found this article good:
http://www.sosuave.com/articles/aoa/thekey.htm
 

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Most women want you to chase and want to see how far you will go to catch them and will put up little tests like breaking dates, not returning calls, etc. Its the natural vetting process to see which man is best suited for her. Its a game plan that is spelled out in THE RULES that many women follow.

Of course, if she demonstrates consistent flakey behavior and doesnt show any signs of giving in then she is truly not interested in you and you should not waste any more time on her.

One woman (HB 8) I dated had me wait almost 6 weeks for a second date but by the third date we were fycking like rabbits. So yes, persistence does pay off in the end and too much nexting at the first sign of flakiness is advocated here I believe.

Like the above poster said, some women like taking things really slow and in fact these types of women are the ones you want an LTR with.
 

IamJosan

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Thanks for sharing you guys! I guess I'm just not used to waiting weeks and weeks for results, but like you guys said all girls are different and some want to be chased.
 

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she probably ran out of options after 6 weeks... :rolleyes:

gaspipe said:
Most women want you to chase and want to see how far you will go to catch them and will put up little tests like breaking dates, not returning calls, etc. Its the natural vetting process to see which man is best suited for her. Its a game plan that is spelled out in THE RULES that many women follow.

So they are trying to find out whom they can easily manipulate?

Of course, if she demonstrates consistent flakey behavior and doesnt show any signs of giving in then she is truly not interested in you and you should not waste any more time on her.

One woman (HB 8) I dated had me wait almost 6 weeks for a second date but by the third date we were fycking like rabbits. So yes, persistence does pay off in the end and too much nexting at the first sign of flakiness is advocated here I believe.

Like the above poster said, some women like taking things really slow and in fact these types of women are the ones you want an LTR with.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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A girl can string you along for about 2 months before sex as long as she shows signs of serious interest (for example, she holds you a certain way, or texts you 20 times a day, or mails hand-written letters and gifts to you). This can be worth the wait, if only because your own lust will amplify the eventual sex you have.

However, if she never shows any signs of interest at all then it's a lost cause after about 2 weeks of her not responding.
 
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