People who deal in absolutes are completely retarded

[GotED?]

“Beyond our ideas of right-doing and wrong-doing, there is a field. I’ll meet you there." - Rumi

 

[RagingBalls]

turuwal, let me add:

Rascal vs Maximus Rex. The cat and dog of SS. LOL

 

[skinnyguy]

I do agree with the "what works for you might not work for me" philosophy.

Some guys clean up in clubs. However, club game has never worked for me.

What works for you depends on a lot of things - status, income, looks, race, social attributes, age, etc.

A 40 year old usually cannot give advice to a 20 year old and vice versa because they are in completely separate worlds. I'm early 30's but man, this world is SOOO different from when I was 22.

I also believe that a good looking guy can't give advice to an ugly guy. But hey that's just me.

The best thing is for you to listen to guys who are in the same position as you because they'll know what works and what doesn't work.

 

[Turuwal]

Ah, so there were four people involved aside from you? They happen to be the girl you're supposed to have, the gay guy who was a ****blocker and was hitting on you, the boyfriend and his girlfriend who were introducing you to their world and were trying to save you? What exactly is this world? Or was it that the girl you were supposed to have and the girlfriend of the said dude were the same?

The critical point is that I was very likely going to end up having sex with a number of women that night but I slipped up by judging the girl that was into me for something that had happened in her past.

The world I am talking about is the one that operates parallel to the world that we see around us every day but is invisible except in very specific circumstances or if you know what to look for. It is a world where:

• no one judges anyone for anything they do
• everyone is having sex with everyone who accepts this reality
• girls don't have to repress their sexuality

Here is my path for entering this world:

• never judge anyone
• never compete on things from the real world (looks, fame, money, possessions, being "alpha", etc.)
• only deal in good emotions
• know that words (especially in sh!t tests) are meaningless
• know that every woman wants to have sex with you
• know that everything that happens in the real world is unimportant

There could be other paths in as well:

• being rich and powerful (the movie Eyes Wide Shut touches on this, and many kings, sultans and dictators are known to have had harems but of course they never would have shared)
• being extremely famous or good looking
• being an elite athlete (see for example http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-05-07/matthew-johns-in-group-sex-scandal/1675926 and note that this probably happens all the time but we don't normally hear about it)
• drugs, especially ecstacy (highly dangerous and not recommended)

 

[LiveFreeX]

Goddammit, 411 beat me to it.

Manosphere vs feminism

Ah, the shrill cries of those who know that they are right and just and have god on their side. Well here's a news flash. Men and women both enjoy having sex, and by creating a great divide between the sexes you are both helping precisely no one. I don't care if the patriachy is enslaving women, or if the great injustice of society is driving men to extinction. If it's not getting me sex, I don't want to hear it.

When you start getting sex on a regular basis and stop being a thirsty ass poosy beggar, you will start to care about the manosphere.

 

[Jaylan]

"Only a sith deals in absolutes. I will do what I must"

Surprised this wasnt posted yet lol

 

[Turuwal]

When you start getting sex on a regular basis and stop being a thirsty ass poosy beggar, you will start to care about the manosphere.

You must be kidding me. Where in any of my threads does it say that I have a problem getting regular sex? I have consistently had 2-3 girls (with sex) on rotation for the last year and a half.

A few of the girls I have dated have been feminists and I have had no problems giving them crap about it and tearing their arguments to shreds. There is nothing more awesome than having a feminist make you dinner and then telling her what to do in bed. Plus teasing feminists in a light-hearted manner is a great way to differentiate yourself from all the idiot white knights out there.

I do care about the manosphere. The social pendulum has swung too far in favour of feminism. That much is obvious. But some red pill stuff is delusional and self-defeating. After a solid two years in the field you start seeing holes in some of the arguments. The manosphere is good on the social and legal aspects but gets it terribly wrong on the true nature of women.

Here's how I see it:

Blue pill: All women are sweet innocent creatures. I'm going to marry the girl of my dreams and live happily ever after.

Red pill overdose: All women are slvts who use you for your money. I'm going to fvck them and dump them until I find the only woman alive who is "high quality".

Red pill balance: All women are sexual beings. I'm going to help them explore their sexuality in as many ways as I can.

 

[adam225]

Text game vs phone game

Agreed 1000% that it is retarded. I also think the term "game" is just as retarded though. DJ's (real men), shouldn't be playing any kind of games. You should be 100% YOURSELF and be 100% AT EASE WITH BEING YOURSELF. Games are for manginas, PUA's, beta, ect (generally false people who lack a healthy level of self esteem and confidence - therefore they need to act instead of just be).

Never stop improving men, stride to be that strong minded, emotionally stable & independent man that this forum is suppose to promote. Women are on your list of luxuries, they are for your enjoyment and enjoyment ONLY. If they disrespect you, bring you discomfort or any form of unhappiness, then you should throw them out of your door head first and double lock it behind you :yes: .

 

[G_Govan]

Polarized does not mean "absolute." You kind of glossed over some heavy topics with your own opinion of why they aren't important, but that doesn't mean the person who adopts one side or the other is claiming an absolute.

People talk in generalities. Most discussions that take place here wouldn't be possible if every topic and term used was to be taken literally in binary terms. There are exceptions to many rules but having to make a disclaimer every time you take a strong stance on something is beyond tedious.

Context is key. If I advise someone not to enter a serious relationship with a single mother, especially not having had any kids themselves yet, it doesn't mean all single mothers are a terrible investment. It's a general rule, that when followed, will most likely result in this person finding a more beneficial relationship.

Your premise is a contradiction in itself.

 

[IBreatheSpears]

Personally I practically expect the girls I'm with to be sleeping with other men, although if they aren't then so much the better. I just want to have decent sex with a variety of women and I don't expect commitment or exclusivity from someone I'm not committed to or exclusive with. Of course, I demand to be treated with respect -- regardless of what she does when I'm not around, if a girl I was with was flirting with other men or worse in front of me I'd be very angry.

 

[zekko]

I also think the term "game" is just as retarded though. DJ's (real men), shouldn't be playing any kind of games. You should be 100% YOURSELF and be 100% AT EASE WITH BEING YOURSELF. Games are for manginas, PUA's, beta, ect

Agreed. The reasons PUAs are so fond of games is that they are just looking to fool the girl long enough to get into her pants. All they have to do is lie or pretend to be someone else, and by the time they are found out they have hit it and quit it.

That's why I agree so much that it's important to be yourself, I've always loved the "be yourself" advice. Because ultimately, if the girl sticks around long enough, she's going to find out who you really are anyway, and if you've been lying about your value. It's better to improve yourself and have real value. Try to become the person that you really want to be. But really become that person, don't just make up a story that makes it sound like you are that person.

If there are traits that you admire, and they can give you value, then aspire to have those traits, work on it. Like being in great shape or having a great career or whatever. But don't just act like a jerk just because you heard women like jerks, I can't imagine a more empty existence. Build real value, and then you can give value.

 

[G_Govan]

The argument about "game" is way too broad a topic to simply dismiss it and claim "being yourself" is the answer. This requires a thread of it's own.

Way too reductionist.

 

[skinnyguy]

Because ultimately, if the girl sticks around long enough, she's going to find out who you really are anyway, and if you've been lying about your value.

True.

I really believe that if a girl does not like me for EXACTLY who I am, she is not worth my time. I'm not going to act like a douche to get her even if she's hot.

I'm not a guy who is a badazz.. I'm intellectual, like to read, and don't do drugs or have tattoos. If I did those things I would look ridiculous. I'm proud of who I am because I don't break the law and live a pretty peaceful life.

 

[adam225]

The argument about "game" is way too broad a topic to simply dismiss it and claim "being yourself" is the answer. This requires a thread of it's own.

Way too reductionist.

I guess it depends on how you look at the word "game" in our context. To me, it implies being false. You'll never be happy being false, period. You are just a desperate act. I'd rather have no women and be my true self than have to lower myself to the level of pretending to get them. It's pathetic....

 

[zekko]

I guess it depends on how you look at the word "game" in our context. To me, it implies being false. You'll never be happy being false, period. You are just a desperate act. I'd rather have no women and be my true self than have to lower myself to the level of pretending to get them. It's pathetic....

I do agree that the term "Game" summons up kind of a greasy image. It doesn't necessarily have to be that way though. Really, all "Game" means is the way that you interact with women, and especially your ability to attract and seduce them. It doesn't have to mean using PUA tricks and techniques. Rollo talks about eveyone having game, even betas use "beta game".

Regarding being false, I agree. If you have true confidence, then you will expect women to value you based on your true self, and not some false front you put up. That is true inner game. Of course, for this to work you have to have some actual value, which is why self improvement is so important.

Guys who turn themselves into "jerks" in order to attract women, I always thought that was the ultimate supplicating act, the ultimate in pedestalizing women: Putting aside your own convictions in order to get women. Of course, a lot of guys don't have any convictions in the first place, so in that case I guess that wouldn't apply.

 

[sylvester the cat]

So people who deal in absolutes are retarded are they?

Sounds like an absolute to me OP.

 

[VikingKing]

All I know is that I know nothing.

 

[narcissist]

All I know is that I know nothing.

Most intelligent thing anyone can say. Although if implemented can drive a person seriously mad.

 

[G_Govan]

I guess it depends on how you look at the word "game" in our context. To me, it implies being false. You'll never be happy being false, period. You are just a desperate act. I'd rather have no women and be my true self than have to lower myself to the level of pretending to get them. It's pathetic....

What is your "true self"? People aren't static, we're very malleable within the culture around us.

Do you know why game theory exists?

I do agree that the term "Game" summons up kind of a greasy image. It doesn't necessarily have to be that way though. Really, all "Game" means is the way that you interact with women, and especially your ability to attract and seduce them. It doesn't have to mean using PUA tricks and techniques. Rollo talks about eveyone having game, even betas use "beta game".

Regarding being false, I agree. If you have true confidence, then you will expect women to value you based on your true self, and not some false front you put up. That is true inner game. Of course, for this to work you have to have some actual value, which is why self improvement is so important.

Guys who turn themselves into "jerks" in order to attract women, I always thought that was the ultimate supplicating act, the ultimate in pedestalizing women: Putting aside your own convictions in order to get women. Of course, a lot of guys don't have any convictions in the first place, so in that case I guess that wouldn't apply.

I was with you for the most part, but I don't understand why you would label a guy who decides to become a jerk to get laid, as having no convictions.

What is your definition of a jerk? I get called a jerk by women in all sorts of situations. Mostly when I disagree with something or put my foot down by upholding my "convictions".

I think you're using a caricatured definition of a jerk, men who behave in extremes that are wholly destructive to themselves as well as the chicks they're with.

 

[zekko]

What is your definition of a jerk? I get called a jerk by women in all sorts of situations. Mostly when I disagree with something or put my foot down by upholding my "convictions".

I get called a jerk by women also sometimes, usually when I'm teasing them about something, or joking around with them. It's their way of teasing me back. They don't really think I am an actual jerk.

I'm using the "real life" definition of a jerk, not the PUA definition, which I find to be ridiculous. PUAs define a jerk as someone who stands up for themselves. Here are a few "real life" definitions of jerk that I Googled, this is from the first site that came up:

"a stupid person or a person who is not well-liked or who treats other people badly"

"an unlikable person; especially : one who is cruel, rude, or small-minded"

That's what a jerk is. Note the emphasis on treating other people shabbily. Demanding respect for yourself is not treating others badly. PUAs try to set up jerks as having only positive qualities, which is completely ludicrous. There's nothing admirable about being a jerk.