"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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pay for date or not?

d0pam1ne

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I'm searching but i can't find the answer to this question. It seems like it would be made clear whether or not you should pay for the date but I can't find anything.

I'm doing lunch with a girl tomorrow. It's a first date. Should I pay for it? Can anyone answer this or link to a thread where they do?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

Eccentric

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What kind of lunch?

I pay for small things. Coffee, ice cream, maybe a salad or something. If it's an actual meal we split the bill. Buying small stuff isn't AFC. I mean what the hells $2 for an ice cream cone? It only gets out of hand if you start buying all her meals and drinks.
 

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Did you invite her? If so, that means you pay. Just manners, not seduction.

Some say the guy should always pay for the 1st 5 or so. But you're probably asking her out the 1st 5 times, so in general, yes.

Others say you shouldn't even buy her a sandwich unless she's already slept with you.

What you don't want to do is take her someplace too expensive, like you're trying to impress her enough to convince her to like you. Just go someplace cheap, where it doesn't hurt to pay.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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Have you guys ever tried getting the woman to take you out? It can be done y'know.
 

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I would stay away from dinners or lunch dates. If you are doing lunch, hopefully it is no your first get together. Only take them to eat if there is already some chemistry and you like eachother's company, not to first meet and get to know someone.

If you invited, you pay. End of the story. I agree with Phyzzle, yet I wouldn't take somebody to dinner/lunch on the first 5 dates. I would immediately ask her the always charming and effective question: "When are gonna cook for me?" By this time, she should be eager to do it. The more she does for you, the more she feels worth of your attention, the more she will value you.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

blinkwatt

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Ok this is a mixed bag,so I will only speak out about what I KNOW HAS WORKED FOR ME!

If I take the women out I pay for the date,no questions. Its just something I do,heck I even pay for my friends sometimes. After the first couple of dates,if stuff gets a little more serious, they always offer to pick up tabs,bills etc.
 
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