"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Part 3) Need advice about this guy

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So, after my girlfriend gagged on the carpet and it was cleaned up, we started to leave. Both his roommates came up to me and gave me a hug and kiss on the cheek. They said to me in front of the guy that I liked, that I was good with them, and that they liked me and hoped to see me again. The guy I liked walked me and my friend to the car. My friend was still acting stupid and I say bye to him and was about to open my side of the door, when he grabbed me around the waist and pulled me in for a long kiss. Then we went off to front of the car, so we could keep an eye on my friend, who was talking to herself, and he said that he would call me over the weekend to see if I was free on Sunday, which was the Sept. 11th. He told me he had a good time, despite my friend. He said again, how much he liked me and that this Sunday, we would be alone.....which is something we have not been able to do. Now, note, I said he mentioned about "getting" together on Sunday....so these were tentative plans, nothing was set in stone. Please take note of this, when analyzing all of this. Then we kissed some more, and I went home.
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We got home and I let my friend have it. I told her how much she truly embarrassed me and herself in front of everyone. She told me to get over it., I said for her that she has no idea how ridiculous she looked that evening and that she made a bad impression on everyone. I told her half-azzed apology was of no help. I told her it was very rude how she yelled at his roommate after he found about the record deal and you turn around an cut him to pieces. I also told her, if I never here from this guy because you, I would never be able to forgive her for this. I said you are my friend, but tonight, you showed ur true colors. I told her I have seen u acted this in the past, but never when there some guy I liked was involved. I told how much she made me upset and I was trying to cover her tracks. She told me she was sorry...(yeah..okay)...and she said if he never calls me again,.......then he is a real jerk. She said it would be messed on his part if he does not talk with me anymore because of her (which is right) because I was innocent. She also said that he was very cheap that he did not offer to buy us a drink. I told her get off the guy's always having to buy a drink thing. I told her that was not the issue here. I told her behaviour was rude, embarrassing and out of control. I said, has it ever occurred to you, that people tend to view other people by the what types of freinds you hang with. She ignored that question.

My aunt always told me to hang out around people who brought out the best in me and to be surrounded my positive people and not people who are always negative and have no lives. I think she is right.

My friend just laughed at me...and told me to get over it. She ended up passing out. I went to bed......pondering those thoughts.....WILL I EVER HEAR FROM HIM AGAIN????
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The Weekend and Aftermath:
So......Friday afternoon, after things got back to normal, my friend said she was sorry. She said if she sees them again....she will tell them how bad she feels and that she never meant to get that out-of-hand. I told her honestly, I think they will never let me have you come over anytime soon., She said, if this guy truly likes me, he will get a hold of me, and if he does not, and if I were to find out it was because of her, then he is not worth it. Then she said he was a coward. She said only cowards hide in the closet. She said do you really want that in a realationship or friendship, no matter what level it is? She said, she really does not think it has to do with her, but he that maybe he is playing me. She said, has it ever occured to me that maybe he is seeing a few girls at the same time. Maybe he has a girlfriend and has not been completely upfront. I told her, to my best of my knowledge, that he is single and he gave me no reason otherwise to not think so. She said, keep that mind. She said give him a call at lunch time.

I did. I called to say hi and to make sure he got to work on time. I told him I had great time last night and that I LOOKED "forward" to this Sunday, if we he was free. Well....Sunday came and went. I had to run the city for business for work, and I only called 2 times on Sunday, which was the 11th. I called the first time on my way into the city on the bus, this was at 12:00 pm....to tell him I would be back around 4 pm and to get a hold of me to let me know what was going on. I ended coming home at 6:30pm. The second time I called was at 5:15pm.....being that I did not get any messages from him, saying I was on my way home and was wondering if something came up and to let me know, and maybe we could do something later in the week. NOTICE ......I never once said, "hey, we had plans"...what is going on"....I was careful in voicing my words. I never called after that. Today is Tuesday, Sept. 13th.

I can honestly tell you I am a bit disappointed and sad. But I am confused because I do not understand who, what, where, when and why? I feel that I was made a fool of, not only by friend who embarrassed everyone and herself and me, but by the guy I like. I honestly believed with all my heart and based on what I knew about him, that he was the kind of person, that would of least called me back if something came up. I am not an angry person nor do I get jeolous. I do not like being kept in the dark. I rather for someone to be upfront with me and tell me the truth, good or bad..............so, I am a bit surprised....that he did not neither.......


I am personally giving it till the end of the week. If I do not hear from him, I will call one last time in the eveing....say, like this Thursday, Sept. 15th. I will call in the evening, when I think he will be home right before he goes to bed. If he answers, great if we can talk. If he does not pick up the phone, I will leave my last message. If after that, nothing happens, I know he was not worth my time. At least, I will have prepared myself to cushion the blow a bit. I know I am a sensitive person. Is is alright to go about in this manner? I am not into chasing people.

Another thing.........for the first time in a long time......I am feeling that '"pang" of disappointment in my heart. I feel like I did something but I know I did not. I feel like "why is this happening to me, again",,,,,,I played by the rules, I did not over call nor over step any boundaries...that I am aware of....so here are my questions:

Questions:

1. Could this guy be playing me for the fool?
2. Could this guy be avoiding me or blowing me off, based on the actions of my friends's rude behavior?
3. Did he lose interest for some other reason, that I am completely unaware of?
4. Is he playing hard to get?
5. Did I do something wrong?
6. Could it be, he and his roommates told me one thing, but when I left, they got a chance to conversed, and saw how my friend acted, and maybe his roommates think all my friends act like this, and out of respect for them, since he has to live with them, that he avoiding me because of them?
7. Do you think he will call me again?

8. Last but not least, am I being PARANOID over nothing????


Any help or advice would be much appreciated. I do like this guy. I know he is not my lover or boyfriend. I know we are still in the acquaintance stage. I am aware of all this. I just feel sorta empty...I meet someone good and something good happens for me, then something comes along and takes it away, out of my control.........so yeah....it does hurt a bit...............

Thanks, Everyone!
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Whoever read all 3 parts and answer your question is a tool.

For next time you can make all 3 of those into 1 thread by clicking "post reply" in your own thread.

But people still wouldnt read through all that sh*t.

I hope for his sake he doesnt call back........i really do
 

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My God!! If i knew when i started reading this that it would have been this long i would have slapped myself. For a second there i was thinking "wow a gay guy talking about his boyfriend, interesting", then i realised you had breasts.

didn't read the whole thing, BackToTheMack is right, for boredoms sake why did u write so much?

1) stop being over critical of your friend, and stop analyising the whole situation.

2) if u talk this much in real life, some one should slap u.

your thinking to much into nothing. a mountain out of acne. nothing in life is set in stone, so stop expecting it.

1. Could this guy be playing me for the fool?
you are a fool
2. Could this guy be avoiding me or blowing me off, based on the actions of my friends's rude behavior?
NO, its got nothing to do with your friend's behavour
3. Did he lose interest for some other reason, that I am completely unaware of?
NO, you don't know for sure he has lost interest.
4. Is he playing hard to get?
his just slow in the head thats all
5. Did I do something wrong?
yess you talk too much etc
6. Could it be, he and his roommates told me one thing, but when I left, they got a chance to conversed, and saw how my friend acted, and maybe his roommates think all my friends act like this, and out of respect for them, since he has to live with them, that he avoiding me because of them?
hahaha, can u stop jumping to conclusions. men are not that shallow.
7. Do you think he will call me again?
Give it a week, then u'll know the answer
8. Last but not least, am I being PARANOID over nothing????
OH YESSSS, can u go see a shrink now please.
 

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LOL @ Evangenlion

But seriously orionstar.. he is spot on. at least about qs 2, 3, 4, 6, and 7.

You are over analysing WAY TOO MUCH (as alot of girls do) and not giving the situation enough time.

Honestly guys aren't really that complicated. He probably hasn't called for some unseen simple reason. At least give it to the end of the week. And if nothing, make sure u talk to him to find out why. eg block caller id, talk in person at gym etc.

Oh and finally, try and keep the posts a little shorter, i know its easy to get carried away when writing about experiences, but you severly limit the no. of people that are actually going to read and respond.

Dave.
 

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Originally posted by Evangenlion
My God!! If i knew when i started reading this that it would have been this long i would have slapped myself. For a second there i was thinking "wow a gay guy talking about his boyfriend, interesting", then i realised you had breasts.

didn't read the whole thing, BackToTheMack is right, for boredoms sake why did u write so much?

1) stop being over critical of your friend, and stop analyising the whole situation.

2) if u talk this much in real life, some one should slap u.

your thinking to much into nothing. a mountain out of acne. nothing in life is set in stone, so stop expecting it.

1. Could this guy be playing me for the fool?
you are a fool
2. Could this guy be avoiding me or blowing me off, based on the actions of my friends's rude behavior?
NO, its got nothing to do with your friend's behavour
3. Did he lose interest for some other reason, that I am completely unaware of?
NO, you don't know for sure he has lost interest.
4. Is he playing hard to get?
his just slow in the head thats all
5. Did I do something wrong?
yess you talk too much etc
6. Could it be, he and his roommates told me one thing, but when I left, they got a chance to conversed, and saw how my friend acted, and maybe his roommates think all my friends act like this, and out of respect for them, since he has to live with them, that he avoiding me because of them?
hahaha, can u stop jumping to conclusions. men are not that shallow.
7. Do you think he will call me again?
Give it a week, then u'll know the answer
8. Last but not least, am I being PARANOID over nothing????
OH YESSSS, can u go see a shrink now please.
Hahahahaha i love this guy.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I can't be bothered reading your post, but the sheer quantity of it tells me you're really desperate. That's not a good thing!
 

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I got sucked in and now my head hurts. Don't ever post a thread this long again... LOL

Yes you are analyzing things way to much. You can only be who you are and people will either accept you for that or reject you for that.

Its really impossible to say what this guy is thinking aside from yes he must like you if he is kissing you right? What will happen next is anyone's guess - obviously if he doesn't call you back then he isn't interested in much more. Usually when guys don't try and have sex with you either you are repulsive ( doesn't seem to be the case here based on his actions ) or he wants to get to know you better ( which is a good thing ).

Don't flood him with calls or you will scare him away. And hopefully your guy friend won't flood with you with calls anymore either - too much of a good thing is a bad thing.
 

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Whoa...Isn't it traditionally girls that are supposed to be the ones that are able to "Go with the flow"??

Geez girl, stop your wheels from turning, chillax, and take it one step at a time. CALM YOURSELF.


As the great Rickson gracie once said, "I don't go with the flow, but I do flow with the go".



CHILL and stop thinking so much.
 

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Too much to read..... too little time.... so I didn't. Sorry.

Oh yeah BTW... this is a site for MEN learning how to get WOMEN. Thanks.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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The Bad Ass Canadian

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Man, after reading that, I have to take a nap.....

I think the guy you're seeing is really good at what he does. Notice how he did everything just about right (except for all the calls, but that doesn't matter) and now her IL is way up there, to the point of obsession.

Here's a road map for the newbies, right here....

Honey, just wait a while and he'll call........if he's still interested.
 

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Originally posted by orionstar
So, after my girlfriend gagged on the carpet and it was cleaned up, we started to leave. Both his roommates came up to me and gave me a hug and kiss on the cheek. They said to me in front of the guy that I liked, that I was good with them, and that they liked me and hoped to see me again. The guy I liked walked me and my friend to the car. My friend was still acting stupid and I say bye to him and was about to open my side of the door, when he grabbed me around the waist and pulled me in for a long kiss. Then we went off to front of the car, so we could keep an eye on my friend, who was talking to herself, and he said that he would call me over the weekend to see if I was free on Sunday, which was the Sept. 11th. He told me he had a good time, despite my friend. He said again, how much he liked me and that this Sunday, we would be alone.....which is something we have not been able to do. Now, note, I said he mentioned about "getting" together on Sunday....so these were tentative plans, nothing was set in stone. Please take note of this, when analyzing all of this. Then we kissed some more, and I went home.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We got home and I let my friend have it. I told her how much she truly embarrassed me and herself in front of everyone. She told me to get over it., I said for her that she has no idea how ridiculous she looked that evening and that she made a bad impression on everyone. I told her half-azzed apology was of no help. I told her it was very rude how she yelled at his roommate after he found about the record deal and you turn around an cut him to pieces. I also told her, if I never here from this guy because you, I would never be able to forgive her for this. I said you are my friend, but tonight, you showed ur true colors. I told her I have seen u acted this in the past, but never when there some guy I liked was involved. I told how much she made me upset and I was trying to cover her tracks. She told me she was sorry...(yeah..okay)...and she said if he never calls me again,.......then he is a real jerk. She said it would be messed on his part if he does not talk with me anymore because of her (which is right) because I was innocent. She also said that he was very cheap that he did not offer to buy us a drink. I told her get off the guy's always having to buy a drink thing. I told her that was not the issue here. I told her behaviour was rude, embarrassing and out of control. I said, has it ever occurred to you, that people tend to view other people by the what types of freinds you hang with. She ignored that question.

My aunt always told me to hang out around people who brought out the best in me and to be surrounded my positive people and not people who are always negative and have no lives. I think she is right.

My friend just laughed at me...and told me to get over it. She ended up passing out. I went to bed......pondering those thoughts.....WILL I EVER HEAR FROM HIM AGAIN????
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The Weekend and Aftermath:
So......Friday afternoon, after things got back to normal, my friend said she was sorry. She said if she sees them again....she will tell them how bad she feels and that she never meant to get that out-of-hand. I told her honestly, I think they will never let me have you come over anytime soon., She said, if this guy truly likes me, he will get a hold of me, and if he does not, and if I were to find out it was because of her, then he is not worth it. Then she said he was a coward. She said only cowards hide in the closet. She said do you really want that in a realationship or friendship, no matter what level it is? She said, she really does not think it has to do with her, but he that maybe he is playing me. She said, has it ever occured to me that maybe he is seeing a few girls at the same time. Maybe he has a girlfriend and has not been completely upfront. I told her, to my best of my knowledge, that he is single and he gave me no reason otherwise to not think so. She said, keep that mind. She said give him a call at lunch time.

I did. I called to say hi and to make sure he got to work on time. I told him I had great time last night and that I LOOKED "forward" to this Sunday, if we he was free. Well....Sunday came and went. I had to run the city for business for work, and I only called 2 times on Sunday, which was the 11th. I called the first time on my way into the city on the bus, this was at 12:00 pm....to tell him I would be back around 4 pm and to get a hold of me to let me know what was going on. I ended coming home at 6:30pm. The second time I called was at 5:15pm.....being that I did not get any messages from him, saying I was on my way home and was wondering if something came up and to let me know, and maybe we could do something later in the week. NOTICE ......I never once said, "hey, we had plans"...what is going on"....I was careful in voicing my words. I never called after that. Today is Tuesday, Sept. 13th.

I can honestly tell you I am a bit disappointed and sad. But I am confused because I do not understand who, what, where, when and why? I feel that I was made a fool of, not only by friend who embarrassed everyone and herself and me, but by the guy I like. I honestly believed with all my heart and based on what I knew about him, that he was the kind of person, that would of least called me back if something came up. I am not an angry person nor do I get jeolous. I do not like being kept in the dark. I rather for someone to be upfront with me and tell me the truth, good or bad..............so, I am a bit surprised....that he did not neither.......


I am personally giving it till the end of the week. If I do not hear from him, I will call one last time in the eveing....say, like this Thursday, Sept. 15th. I will call in the evening, when I think he will be home right before he goes to bed. If he answers, great if we can talk. If he does not pick up the phone, I will leave my last message. If after that, nothing happens, I know he was not worth my time. At least, I will have prepared myself to cushion the blow a bit. I know I am a sensitive person. Is is alright to go about in this manner? I am not into chasing people.

Another thing.........for the first time in a long time......I am feeling that '"pang" of disappointment in my heart. I feel like I did something but I know I did not. I feel like "why is this happening to me, again",,,,,,I played by the rules, I did not over call nor over step any boundaries...that I am aware of....so here are my questions:

Questions:

1. Could this guy be playing me for the fool?
2. Could this guy be avoiding me or blowing me off, based on the actions of my friends's rude behavior?
3. Did he lose interest for some other reason, that I am completely unaware of?
4. Is he playing hard to get?
5. Did I do something wrong?
6. Could it be, he and his roommates told me one thing, but when I left, they got a chance to conversed, and saw how my friend acted, and maybe his roommates think all my friends act like this, and out of respect for them, since he has to live with them, that he avoiding me because of them?
7. Do you think he will call me again?

8. Last but not least, am I being PARANOID over nothing????


Any help or advice would be much appreciated. I do like this guy. I know he is not my lover or boyfriend. I know we are still in the acquaintance stage. I am aware of all this. I just feel sorta empty...I meet someone good and something good happens for me, then something comes along and takes it away, out of my control.........so yeah....it does hurt a bit...............

Thanks, Everyone!
too long, didnt read
 

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What is this an autobiography? I'm mean no, I just refuse to read this. How do you write so much in one thread, and still manage to have a sequel for it. Two sequels at that.

1.Need some advice about this guy.
2.Need some advice about this guy 2: Judgement Day
3.Need some advice about this guy 3: Apocolypse Now

I mean the situation cant be that serious. I know it's not that serious.
 

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Re: sick.

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
yuck.


ugh...i can't eat my lunch now.

(throws up on floor)


(wipes mouth)

(throws up again)

(wipes mouth)


puleez.....these forums are for STRAIGHT men!

It's a girl that posted this
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Originally posted by orionstar
6. Could it be, he and his roommates told me one thing, but when I left, they got a chance to conversed, and saw how my friend acted, and maybe his roommates think all my friends act like this, and out of respect for them, since he has to live with them, that he avoiding me because of them?
damn, try using a period. You know one of these -> . <-
 

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omg this is insane i ddint think that women could be this bad. now i know why yall have this forum. 24 year old female here and i got sucked into this crap. GET A LIFE GIRL. stop obsessing. it is shameful, lol. just relax and wait the call. omg i still cant beleive you would sit here and ask guys to read that ****.

good luck and shut up
 
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