pac/dlh and diaz/katsidis

[6-heads lewis]

some of you guys were cool to me back in the day, heres my payback:

juan diaz will overwhelm michael katsidis easily. im betting 7x my normal wager on him straight, and another 5x on him inside the distance. this is the biggest wager im making since mayweather over hatton

the pac-dlh bout is a circus, hbo will build it up to be david vs goliath, an epic struggle that could go either way. its all a big sham. dlh will beat him regardless of their mindsets, if oscar enters the ring looking for a ko, he'll get it. ill probably have abotu 10x my usual wager size on oscar straight, and another 3x on him inside the distance.


holla

 

[MrS]

Pac DLH is a bit ridiculous.

Diaz Katsidis should be more entertaining.

 

[mostwantedbabyfather]

Yeah i agree MrS. I was hoping he would fight someone like Margarito, Winky, or a another fight between him and Sugar Shane but it seems he wants to fight a smaller fighter... I am quite disappointed with this fight but will still watch.

 

[6-heads lewis]

don't fall for HBO hype, there was a huge gulf in class between kats/diaz.

there is now a huge gulf in size and power between pac/oscar. im telling you, this is THE play of the year, ironically only 2 days apart from THE play of last year, which was mayweather over Hatton.

im flying to vegas for this one, some books still ahve Oscar less than -200. online books avg out to about -260, the line should be -450.

good luck.

 

[mostwantedbabyfather]

Have they realesed the rest of the card yet?

 

[rapidfire]

pac/dlh, biggest travesty this year. delahoya will win easily, he's so much bigger then pac. i'd rather see pac fight marquez a third time.

 

[6-heads lewis]

expect a crappy one. gbp is known to give the worst undercards, they give you a BS main event at a ridiculous price, and throw garbage underneath it. rey bautista is confirmed, remember this is the guy who got ko'd in 1 by by ponce de leon, who in turn got ko'd in 1 by juan manuel lopez. he's not going anywhere.

j.m. lopez is the real deal. if you're lucky he'll somehow get on the card, but it's doubtful.

expect them to instead throw some nobody philippinos on the card as a lame way to squeeze money out of pac's loyal, and utterly stupid, fanbase. the only legit phillipino to note is gerry penalosa, who is old as dirt at this point.

 

[6-heads lewis]

there wont be a pac-jmm 3 b/c pac doesnt want it. imo he lost both of their fights, instead of fighting jmm for a 3rd time he goes up and beats the weakest titleholder, a man who never even won the title in the ring. David Diaz was given the bout when the santioning bodies stripped casamayor. jmm goes up and beats the ring magazine champion at the same weight, not some hyped up bar-fighter, knocks him out for the first time in his career.

pac wants no part of this man. expect him to fight ricky hatton next, he'll fight anybody who isnt marquez.

 

[mostwantedbabyfather]

I would love to see a marquez pac fight again and wouldnt mind seeing him fight barrera again eventhough he slaughtered him. I just want to make sure it wasnt a fluke and am hoping barrera still gots some fight in him.

 

[DJKid]

there wont be a pac-jmm 3 b/c pac doesnt want it. imo he lost both of their fights, instead of fighting jmm for a 3rd time he goes up and beats the weakest titleholder, a man who never even won the title in the ring. David Diaz was given the bout when the santioning bodies stripped casamayor. jmm goes up and beats the ring magazine champion at the same weight, not some hyped up bar-fighter, knocks him out for the first time in his career.

pac wants no part of this man. expect him to fight ricky hatton next, he'll fight anybody who isnt marquez.

What's the line going to be for Oscar to KO Pac?

 

[6-heads lewis]

What's the line going to be for Oscar to KO Pac?

not officially up yet, though i have found oscar pts -150, which means Oscar KO will be about +150 or slightly less.

INCREDIBLE line, imo.

the thing about oscar is he fades late, so if he doesnt win by ko by the 8th round, he probably wont at all. you might get a good line on under 9.5 around +130, which also wins in case oscar injures himself or some other miracle happens and manny KO's him. if it goes 9, it's likely going 12.

 

[DJKid]

So maybe I misread your thread but it sounds like you thought Oscar winning by KO was an almost sure thing but now you're concerned about him fading. Which bets do you think you're going to make specifically in this fight?

I think this is a tough one to call... sure you'd think Oscar has the eraser in that left hook but Manny is the number 1 P4P figher right now and is extremely quick. Plus he has Freddie Roach in his corner who knows Oscar's weaknesses from training him for Mayweather. With Oscar's age I think the outcome of this fight is really a big question mark.....

 

[6-heads lewis]

So maybe I misread your thread but it sounds like you thought Oscar winning by KO was an almost sure thing but now you're concerned about him fading. Which bets do you think you're going to make specifically in this fight?

I think this is a tough one to call... sure you'd think Oscar has the eraser in that left hook but Manny is the number 1 P4P figher right now and is extremely quick. Plus he has Freddie Roach in his corner who knows Oscar's weaknesses from training him for Mayweather. With Oscar's age I think the outcome of this fight is really a big question mark.....

The real ? in a fight like this is if both guys are really coming to fight, or if they like each other behind the scenes and know this is about the money, with noone getting hurt. It's in Oscar's interest to make Manny look good, rather than an overmatched fighter 20+lbs lighter than him.

In a legit fight, Oscar knocks him out easily. Forget P4P, forget Roach, all that ish, it doesnt matter here. By the way, JMM #1.

Im betting Oscar huge, and depending on the line, either Oscar KO, or under 9.5. Like I said Oscar fades after 8, but it shouldn't even go 6. So logically under 9.5 is the play, since it also covers a fluke injury or headbutt or something, anything in which Manny wins under 9.5 rounds. And if Oscar doesnt win by 9.5, he'll probably go 12. Therefore under 9.5 is more valuable.

Average fans don't know this, but Manny has been knocked out by light punchers in the BANTAMWEIGHT classes. Just 5 years ago he made 120lbs. Manny WALKS AROUND at about 150. To put that into perspective, some Middleweights (160lbs) are known to walk around at 200lbs. Joan Guzman, a 130lb fighter, used to walk around at 180lbs.

Technically every event is a ? otherwise it would literally be free money every time, what I'm saying is I've been betting boxing for the entire past year, and this to me is one of, if not THE, best bets of the year.

 

[DJKid]

The real ? in a fight like this is if both guys are really coming to fight, or if they like each other behind the scenes and know this is about the money, with noone getting hurt. It's in Oscar's interest to make Manny look good, rather than an overmatched fighter 20+lbs lighter than him.

In a legit fight, Oscar knocks him out easily. Forget P4P, forget Roach, all that ish, it doesnt matter here. By the way, JMM #1.

Im betting Oscar huge, and depending on the line, either Oscar KO, or under 9.5. Like I said Oscar fades after 8, but it shouldn't even go 6. So logically under 9.5 is the play, since it also covers a fluke injury or headbutt or something, anything in which Manny wins under 9.5 rounds. And if Oscar doesnt win by 9.5, he'll probably go 12. Therefore under 9.5 is more valuable.

Average fans don't know this, but Manny has been knocked out by light punchers in the BANTAMWEIGHT classes. Just 5 years ago he made 120lbs. Manny WALKS AROUND at about 150. To put that into perspective, some Middleweights (160lbs) are known to walk around at 200lbs. Joan Guzman, a 130lb fighter, used to walk around at 180lbs.

Technically every event is a ? otherwise it would literally be free money every time, what I'm saying is I've been betting boxing for the entire past year, and this to me is one of, if not THE, best bets of the year.

Good and fair point about this being a business transaction... I guess we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Boxing certainly has garnered a reputation for having a lot of fixed bouts.... Let me know what the lines are when you first get a glimpse at them, I may consider taking some action

Anyway assuming the fight isn't being negotiated as a skit behind the scenes.... You are absoulutely right that casual boxing fans don't know of Manny being ko'd early in his career. However what they also don't know is that when that took place at that weight Manny was just a teenager or slightly older. I believe he turned pro when he was 16. He has certainly grown in weight since. Even though Oscar clearly has a larger frame the weight disparity isn't as great as some make it out to be.

I love JMM, he is a great technician. But the facts are he has 1 draw and 1 loss to PacMan. A lot of people think JMM did win those fights, a lot think Pac, but either way they were close. What isn't disputable is that Pac put JMM on his azz 4 times in their 2 meetings.

IMHO Manny is number 1 P4P right now

 

[6-heads lewis]

1 more week until the destruction. To this point, my biggest bets of the year have been, in order: Hatton over Malignaggi, Fedor over Sylvia, A. Silva over Cote.

Hoya over Pac will surpass them. MASSIVE bets on Oscar by KO, the under 9.5 rounds, and small bets on Oscar in rds 1-6. Im not sure if ill take Oscar straight, it's a great bet at -200, but it shouldn't go to the scorecards unless Oscar carries him. Instead ill probably place a very small bet on Oscar pts, to hedge my huge KO bets.

Hoya struggles with technical boxers, he doesn't struggle with small, wild, straight-forward, defensively lacking lightweights, with diminishing power. Pac couldnt finish (or even legitimately beat) JM Marquez, Hoya is a BIG boy with a strong amateur and professional pedigree.

In a legit fight, a counter left hook knocks Pac's head off by rd 5. My only concern is that this will be a carry job, like Lacy-Taylor and Jones-Calzaghe.


CLOONEY, where you at man????

 

[6-heads lewis]

and btw, my main man Juan Manuel Lopez is on the undercard! big props to GBP for putting together a solid undercard, Im pleasantly surprised.

 

[DJKid]

1 more week until the destruction. To this point, my biggest bets of the year have been, in order: Hatton over Malignaggi, Fedor over Sylvia, A. Silva over Cote.

Hoya over Pac will surpass them. MASSIVE bets on Oscar by KO, the under 9.5 rounds, and small bets on Oscar in rds 1-6. Im not sure if ill take Oscar straight, it's a great bet at -200, but it shouldn't go to the scorecards unless Oscar carries him. Instead ill probably place a very small bet on Oscar pts, to hedge my huge KO bets.

Hoya struggles with technical boxers, he doesn't struggle with small, wild, straight-forward, defensively lacking lightweights, with diminishing power. Pac couldnt finish (or even legitimately beat) JM Marquez, Hoya is a BIG boy with a strong amateur and professional pedigree.

In a legit fight, a counter left hook knocks Pac's head off by rd 5. My only concern is that this will be a carry job, like Lacy-Taylor and Jones-Calzaghe.


CLOONEY, where you at man????

What's the line for Oscar under 9.5 and Oscar by KO?

 

[6-heads lewis]

Under 9.5: +160
Oscar KO: +160

After seeing the lines, I changed my KO/distance bet to "wont go the full 12 rounds". It was +120, I lose 40 cents, but cover every possible outcome except a 12rd decision.

Biggest bet: Oscar straight -190, -200 is fine
Second biggest: Won't go distance +120, anything better than or at even money is good.
Lottery bets: Oscar KO 1-3 and 4-6.

 

[6-heads lewis]

btw for those interested Juan Manuel Lopez is going to knock his opponent out very early. I'm betting the under of that fight, probably 5.5 rounds.

 

[Gaucho]

A bet on DLH is FREE MONEY!