I know you're supposed to just "push through it", but how do you tactfully execute that push? Can someone give me an example (like a field report) detailing how they pushed through LMR. What did you say? how long did you wait to re-initiate after she initially balked at your advances?
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Overcoming LMR
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
thecurtainfalls
Senior Don Juan
First off, I like your signature.
In my experience, 85% or so of last minute resistance is non-verbal. It's rare that I've had a girl actually say "no, stop" or "I'm not ready". This is because usually we'll be making out and I'll be squeezin' her tits or whatever, and then when I go for the vag, a LMR'r will usually just guide my hand back onto her tits.
At this point I wait a few more minutes, try to get her more turned on, and then try again. Space it out like 5 minutes in between attempts. 5 minutes is a long time when your balls are aching and you're both in the heat of passion, so don't be afraid to get back in there. I'd say about two-thirds of the time, the LMR breaks down after my 2nd or 3rd attempt and the girl wants it too much to activate her anti-slut defenses. It's up to you, but honestly after 3 times of trying to grab her cooch if she's still not feeling it it's probably not going to happen. Same goes for escalating from manual stimulation to full on sex, etc. She'll usually do the LMR non-verbally and it's expected that you try at least a couple more times to prove you're not a shivering spineless wimp.
EDIT: DON'T take a rape charge though. A firm or serious "No" means no, 'kay?
In my experience, 85% or so of last minute resistance is non-verbal. It's rare that I've had a girl actually say "no, stop" or "I'm not ready". This is because usually we'll be making out and I'll be squeezin' her tits or whatever, and then when I go for the vag, a LMR'r will usually just guide my hand back onto her tits.
At this point I wait a few more minutes, try to get her more turned on, and then try again. Space it out like 5 minutes in between attempts. 5 minutes is a long time when your balls are aching and you're both in the heat of passion, so don't be afraid to get back in there. I'd say about two-thirds of the time, the LMR breaks down after my 2nd or 3rd attempt and the girl wants it too much to activate her anti-slut defenses. It's up to you, but honestly after 3 times of trying to grab her cooch if she's still not feeling it it's probably not going to happen. Same goes for escalating from manual stimulation to full on sex, etc. She'll usually do the LMR non-verbally and it's expected that you try at least a couple more times to prove you're not a shivering spineless wimp.
EDIT: DON'T take a rape charge though. A firm or serious "No" means no, 'kay?
See the red...thecurtainfalls said:First off, I like your signature.
In my experience, 85% or so of last minute resistance is non-verbal. It's rare that I've had a girl actually say "no, stop" or "I'm not ready". This is because usually we'll be making out and I'll be squeezin' her tits or whatever, and then when I go for the vag, a LMR'r will usually just guide my hand back onto her tits.
At this point I wait a few more minutes, try to get her more turned on, and then try again. Space it out like 5 minutes in between attempts. 5 minutes is a long time when your balls are aching and you're both in the heat of passion, so don't be afraid to get back in there. I'd say about two-thirds of the time, the LMR breaks down after my 2nd or 3rd attempt and the girl wants it too much to activate her anti-slut defenses. It's up to you, but honestly after 3 times of trying to grab her cooch if she's still not feeling it it's probably not going to happen. Same goes for escalating from manual stimulation to full on sex, etc. She'll usually do the LMR non-verbally and it's expected that you try at least a couple more times to prove you're not a shivering spineless wimp.
EDIT: DON'T take a rape charge though. A firm or serious "No" means no, 'kay?
what can I do to get her more turned on without escalating further? Like if we're making out and I'm squeezing her tits, how do I get her more turned on without rubbing her vag?
thecurtainfalls
Senior Don Juan
Start kissing her neck, shoulders, nibble an earlobe, whisper naughty things in her ear. Mix up the way you're kissing her lips. Tease her a little bit.
You only looking at one part of it
to make her want it more you don't step it up
YOU PULL IT BACK
you slow the hell down, and stop touching her. you leave her ass there to experience not getting caressed.
THEN you go back.
do this a few times and she will go for it.
my ffavorite is the good old "turn the lights on go check my email' trick
it always works, just say "its ok i understand" and go do something else.
if she doesn't come back in 1-2 minutes, then come back in 3 and do her.
to make her want it more you don't step it up
YOU PULL IT BACK
you slow the hell down, and stop touching her. you leave her ass there to experience not getting caressed.
THEN you go back.
do this a few times and she will go for it.
my ffavorite is the good old "turn the lights on go check my email' trick
it always works, just say "its ok i understand" and go do something else.
if she doesn't come back in 1-2 minutes, then come back in 3 and do her.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.