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Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

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Open Letter to Wutang and the Height Obsessed

IrishGuy23

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As someone who is obsessed with height, my aim in writing this thread is to assist in someway those, such as wutangfinancial, who are similarly afflicted.

I would imagine that the majority of people here who are familiar with wutang's posts, would be of the opinion that the guy is whiney, loves playing the victim role, and needs a good kick up the proverbial backside. To a great degree I would agree with this point of view. However , people should realise that we are dealing with an obsession that for many sufferers is extremely debilitating and difficult to cope with, in spite of its irrationality. Simply telling a person in this situation to pull themself together won't work.

So, in the following I am putting forward a few mental strategies to deal with the problem.

I am 5'8 -5'9. I actually believe that this can strangely be a more difficult height to deal with, than being technically "short", lets say under 5'6. Why? Because for the most part you don't grow up being labelled as "short", or even thinking of yourself that way. Then one day you realise, you're shorter than the majority of your peers...or that a sizeable minority of girls are taller than you in heels etc, and if you're of an obsessive inclination that's when the problems begin...unlike the 5'5 guy who has had all his childhood to mentally adjust to his stature and become comfortable in his own skin, all of a sudden you're lost and don't know how to cope.

Height is one of the worst things one can become obsessed with...for the simple reason that everday provides ample opportunites to feed the obsession. You just have to compare yourself with every person you come across with....queing for a bus, or in line at a canteen, or simply walking down the street you find yourself measuring up everbody you see and comparing your height...checking eye-levels, judging a persons height from a distance..and then seeing how correct you were when up closer...the list of compulsive behaviours is endless; people who suffer from this know exactly what I'm talking about.

So, what to do? Personally I don't think it's possible to completely eliminate these thoughts...however, it is possible to control your emotional reaction to them. I have had this obsession for over two years now, and in that time I've become extremely aware of all my possible reactions, and more importantly the situations that trigger them.

But the important point to realise is that there are two types of these "situational triggers". Those that provoke a negative reaction and train of thoughts about your height, and those which provoke the opposite...a feeling of being at ease with your body, and height. By becoming aware of these triggers it was possible for me to take a more rational view of the issue of height...and in some sense achieve a peace of mind.

The negative triggers became easy to identify... for example one of the worst things would be to see a girl of 5'7 to 5'9, which is tall of course, but did not seem tall due to her being badly proportioned or simply over-weight. The same thing would apply to guys around this height...too sleight, or poorly proportioned...when you see that you are around the same height, the logic that goes through your head is "jeez, I must look like that too since I'm the same height". Another bugbear, especially if you are in a university setting, is seeing all these immature looking kids towering over you. Anyway, I could go into more detail about the minutiae of all these negative triggers, but I think you get the point.


On the otherhand, there are plenty of positive situational triggers and these are what you need to focus on. 5'9 is NOT short...one of my favourite things to do to remind me of this is to go to the mall, or just simply stand in a busy shopping street. You observe all ranges of height, and more importantly age...in particular you see many men of average height, and I emphasise the word "men"....guys in their 20's, 30's and 40's, who are sharply dressed, and exude confidence and masculinity. In no way does their height negatively affect my impression or respect for them...this is the thing, you have to create a positive association between AVERAGE height and masculinity.

Another thing I also observe, which is mentally uplifting, is the number of women in the 5'3 to 5'7 that appear tall, due to being elegantly dressed, and having slender physiques...by then comparing yourself as a taller MAN to these attractive creatures...you start feeling exactly like that...i.e a MAN!!

There are plenty of other little mental games I play to help boost my confidence and become less irrational in terms of my view of height, but I won't bore with that.

In summary this is what I suggest for the height obsessed

1) become aware of all the everday situations that provoke both negative and positive reactions in you with regard to height. By doing so you will feel calmer and more able to deal with your reaction in a clear-headed manner

2) when negative situation triggers arise, recognise them for what they are...and your response as being irrational, and just a bad habit. Also immediately recall in your mind all the positive situations you have felt in the past that make you feel good about your height.


I am still obsessed with height...I still mentally size up people in the streets and make comparisons....but by adopting the above approach I don't, for the most part, allow my obsession to adversely affect my life.

Hope this has helped.
 

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Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

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A similar thing needs to be written about race. Wutang is obsessed with height, I'm obsessed with race. As you said once you step outside your head is filled with negative stuff. He'll see a taller guy with a short girl at a given point and I'll see an ugly white guy with a pretty girl at some point. Sadly I think it is the truth though, which is why as you said it never really goes away. We know race matters and we know height matters.

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LIFE is what you MAKE it.

If you live your life being obsessed with what you can't change, then you have made yourself a sad reality.

That is the bottom line.
 

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For those of you who can't understand what I just said, here is a different method of advice.

Find a role model. Someone who has the same "problem" you do, whom you relate to. Whom you admire. Watch and learn.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Thanks for this post Irish. You described my thoughts so accurately that it was kinda scary.

I've been trying to accept myself as I am, and hoping that I still got some growth left in me.

In sneakers I am 5'9"..that would make me 5'8" in socks.
 
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Deflect your vertical shortcomings by becoming an upstanding individual through your character.
 

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Garbage thread
IrishGuy23 said:
I am 5'8 -5'9.
You are almost the average height so you don't have a clue about being short, neither does wutang. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_height By the way I'm 5'6 so I know a lot more about being short than you do.
IrishGuy23 said:
I actually believe that this can strangely be a more difficult height to deal with, than being technically "short", lets say under 5'6. Why? Because for the most part you don't grow up being labelled as "short", or even thinking of yourself that way.
Are you fucking kidding me? :crackup: So you are saying it is easier to grow up and be labeled short your whole life? :crazy:


I do agree with you on the triggers though. I do have a few triggers that set me off. They are

Threads or posts about height :trouble:

Girls who are taller than me. I can't stand girls than are taller than me, it doesn't matter if they are only wearing heals, I hate it.

Guys who tower over me.

Looking at online dating sites and seeing every girl list her ideal man as at least 5'8. It's really annoying when the girl is below 5'4 and she wants some due thats 6 feet.

Another thing that sucks is that my 13 year old brother is now my height and he may be taller. When he comes to visit, people always say, "look how big you've gotten" and other shit like that. I'm the oldest out of 3 sons and I'm the fucking runt. My dad is 5'10 I don't have a clue why I'm not.

Anyways I can drive myself insane thinking about my height and the many other things that are wrong with me. Actually I might have already.

Threads like this really piss me off. I should really stay out of height threads. They don't do anything to help.
 

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The good thing about height obsessions are that no one actually cares.

When you're black like me, you get stared at every so often, and its really disconcerting. That's when you make an effort to NOT think about that fact, and society keeps forcing it down your throat.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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height is a big deal. that and race are probably the two most crucial physical attributes in a male for a girl. many girls just can't see themselves dating a guy who is short. i guess height is the key element of being a man. of passing on your seed. of protecting her. of being different than her female friends.

how could you fix this? elevator shoes maybe? many entertainers wear such shoes. lifting weights won't help. a short muscular guy just looks like he is trying too hard to mask his short stature. i would go with the elevator shoes. oh yeah, stretching doesn't work. remember the brady bunch episode where bobby hung for hours so that he wouldn't be a shrimp? didn't work for him and won't work for you.

under 5'6" isn't short - it is a curse from god! 5'9" is bad enough. 5'6" should put you in a wheelchair. at least broads wouldn't know that you were short. in a wheelchair you can do fancy donuts and crap. decorate the chair. guess that would be a form of peacocking. beats being 5'6".
 

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iqqi said:
For those of you who can't understand what I just said, here is a different method of advice.

Find a role model. Someone who has the same "problem" you do, whom you relate to. Whom you admire. Watch and learn.
This is pretty close to what I am recommending. We are talking about guys here who are showing symptoms of OCD...and to deal with this, I personally try to create positive associations in my mind by observing people of average height who I admire and respect...and most importantly look good for their height, well proportioned, good posture etc.

Maxtro said:
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Originally Posted by IrishGuy23
I actually believe that this can strangely be a more difficult height to deal with, than being technically "short", lets say under 5'6. Why? Because for the most part you don't grow up being labelled as "short", or even thinking of yourself that way.


Are you ****ing kidding me? So you are saying it is easier to grow up and be labeled short your whole life? I do agree with you on the triggers though
I apologise for having offended you...what I said was too much of a generalisation, and not really central to the main point of my post i.e situational triggers and how you choose to react to them. I was just saying that for guys at this borderline height, the obsession commonly arives later in life and therefore we aren't mentally prepared to deal with it. I know for me my height was never an issue as a kid...but when it did become one, 2 years ago, it was like running into a brick wall..the sudden realisation that you're diminuitive by comparison to most of your male peers.

Flabbergasped? said:
The good thing about height obsessions are that no one actually cares.
Agree. And this helps alot, when you realise nobody gives a damn about your height as much as you do.

muhuwahaha said:
Thanks for this post Irish. You described my thoughts so accurately that it was kinda scary.
You're welcome....this was exactly the point of my post, to help guys who have this mental problem. By becoming more aware of your thoughts and emotional responses you are in a better position to choose how you deal with them. It's a form of cognitive behavioural therapy.
 

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Well I think the first issue here is that you are playing a victim role right of the bat. Just as you criticize Wutang for having a victim mentality, you come right out with making yourself a victim in the first couple of paragraphs. To say that you, at 5'8" has it worse off than someone shorter, under 5'6" is absolutely ridiculous....seriously, if that isn't victim mentality than I don't know what is.

I'm 5'4 by the way and I often find that attempting to analyze the whole height issue such as you did a waste of time.

Lets look at it this way, lets say that hypothetically height was THE number one determining factor in attraction for women. Knowing that, what are you going to do about it???

Sure, you can wear elevator shoes or platforms to gain a few inches but there is only so high you can go before you look more ridiculous than you would as a short person.

Really, there are only two options for height issue:

1) You can sit in a cave your entire life feeling sorry for yourself until you die

2) You can accept your height and work on becoming better at things you can change to attract women. Yes, you will have to work a lot harder than someone who is taller but again, there is nothing you can do about that.

In the end everyone should be focused on making their own life with the cards they are dealt as best it can be.
 

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MOST THINGS METTER BUT WHAT MATTERS MORE IS HOW YOU COMPENSATE FOR SHORT COMINGS BY BOOSTING UP OTHER AREAS e.g. Looks , money, if you lack one make sure you have the other in abundance..
 

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Wutang. I've read about your insecurities. I want to tell you that I am 6 foot tall/in fact I regualraly get quoted as 6'2. and glad as I believe it's an asset. BUT ON MANY OCCASION IVE LOST OUT TO A SHORTER GUY IN ALL AREAS OF LIFE AND NOT JUST WOMEN.
In fact I lost a girl to a guy of 5'4".
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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When you mentioned race problems , i just wanna tell you something about my friends . Most of my friends shave their hairs like p.diddy , wear big ass diamond earrings , dress with baggy pants . They are wannabe black (sorry if you take offensive this ) . And if you could come to my country , most of the girls would svck your d1ck just for being black . But , again , its all about your personality and value AND the way youre demostrating your value.

When i say DEMOSTRATING VALUE , im not talking about fvcking routines like palmreading or magic tricks or THE CUBE .

Im talkin about showing girls that you're the man , you know that youre the man and you make sure to tell everyone you're the man .
 

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I am 5'8 -5'9. I actually believe that this can strangely be a more difficult height to deal with, than being technically "short", lets say under 5'6. Why? Because for the most part you don't grow up being labelled as "short", or even thinking of yourself that way. Then one day you realise, you're shorter than the majority of your peers...or that a sizeable minority of girls are taller than you in heels etc, and if you're of an obsessive inclination that's when the problems begin...unlike the 5'5 guy who has had all his childhood to mentally adjust to his stature and become comfortable in his own skin, all of a sudden you're lost and don't know how to cope.
Thats the gayest sh1t I've ever read, but being 6'2, I guess I wouldnt understand your suffering, right?

Actually, I'll be perfectly honest with you, in alot of ways, being 6'2 is even more traumatic than being 5'9. Its like, you're tall, but you're not THAT tall. 6'3, now that's tall, nobody can argue. 6'2 is tall, but not tall tall. So even though people are always labelling me as 'tall', I sometimes don't feel I measure up to their expectations when I sit amongst guys who are 6'3-6'5. These people have been called tall all their lives and have barely ever met competition because nobody is 6'6. So they hardly had the opportunity to become traumatized, as I have, by realizing that my relative tallness was not yet tall enough to be tall tall in relation to these truly tall men I often see. I sound composed but this is killing me on the inside.
 

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Wtf you're kidding right? 6'2 is a fine height. Some of mymates are 6'3 - 6'5 how do you think I feel hanging out with them being 5'7-8?! But yeah I do find it annoying when I'm out and see alot of hot girls who are about 5'10 in their heels.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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