"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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ok im trying to get with this girl i know...at first she didnt believe me, but now she does...here's the thing: at first she wants to do group dates! how could i turn this around into my advantage and take the control away from her? she keeps asking me if i do like her, how could i answer this so i dont make a big mistake?

ok she says she goes in groups then breaks off to single.......she said she wants to get to know me and talk to me first b4 going out, dam doesnt' that mean she wants to LBJF with me? im not stressing off this girl, im going out with someone else tomorrow so im not really trippen off her, but in case this happens again, i wanna know how to handle this..thanks for ur help......she also said she wants someone who will put an effort into being with her,

how could i do that withouth being too AFC? push and pull? give her some attention then break off? thanks for ur help
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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you've been here since 2002...

regaurdless, my advice.

Maybe some karaoke. Its a fun group activity... I read a story here once about getting up and performing backstreet boys, do it really over the top. Great laugh, confident etc.

Now, instead of breaking off -which will be on her terms. DON'T break off. wow her friends, infact, sarge her friends. If you're getting no play, and it doesn't really look like she'll let you get play, sarge her friends.

She'll soon realise, group situations, you'll shine, she'll lose you very quickly. Time to give you want you want if shes to keep you.
 

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What does she think will happen if you go out just the two of you?

I'd play hard ball with this girl and tell her if she won't go out with you alons that she should get back to you when she is, and leave her to decide. If she never calls, that's someone else you have weeded out in the dating game.

Just my two cents
 
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ok thanks for the advice.......

lol yes i have been here since 2002, i pretty much know about this site, i just havent seen some of this stuff covered.........

she said that the one time she did make it a single date (recently, i have some competition) it was b/c the guy was sweet and planned it all............dam my problem is that im not nice to people, i pretty tease them and stuff (david d. material) i dont like to be nice b/c i dont want the girl to walk all over me....dam well i have a mountain to climb here that's for sure lol any other advice? and thanks for ur help so far
 

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Group dating isn't an option. If she doesn't want to do that then I agree with others... tell her to give you a call when you are ready to go out alone.

If she wants to go out in groups then thats fine - but that isn't dating.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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This is like the female equivalent of a sub-AFC. She's not so socially adept that she can even handle herself alone.

NEXT her.
 

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She's wasting your time bro, find someone who actually likes you. NEXT.
 

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Originally posted by Desdinova
Women will want group dates when they think you might be too boring to spend an entire evening with.
No, it's not that. They're just extremely shy or conservative women.

When I was still a Christian, I ran into that. Women who be afraid to go on dates, because they were made to think that interactions that were *remotely* sexual (like drinking shakes at the same malt shop) were somehow bad. Btw, this happened with a 23-year old.

Well anyway, I'm glad I'm away from that, but that's another post.
 
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i dont know, she says its because she doesn't know me well enough, and its true sometimes i dont talk to her to be "challenging" i dont talk to her every time she works, but when she is working i still dont talk much.....im gonna try to talk to her a bit more, i mean we had convos bout sex and a couple times, so we'll see.........we havent had a deep convo or anything....u think that'll lead to the friends zone though iif i talk to her too much? hmm anyway thanks for ur input, im gonna call her this weekend sometime, but ill still be doing my holleration so i dont come down wiht one-itis, its a b*itch to cure lol any more advice is welcome, but thanks for ur help
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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