"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Online game vs. Day game.

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Anyone find that online game gave them more confidence to go out there and talk to women in day game? A few years ago I was too afraid to even say "hi" to a girl and couldn't even make eye contact with attractive female co-workers.

My sticking points were:

- I thought most women thought I was ugly or undesirable even the average or not so good looking ones.

- I cared what women thought. If I had approached a woman back then and they laughed at me for some reason, I probably would have had an anxiety attack.

Going online, I sent my pic to women and got their honest opinions. I'd either say "What do you think of my friend" or pretend to be a girl and say "This is my new boyfriend, what do you think?" When I got a lot of negative responses, harsh "What are you doing with him?" or "He's disgusting" responses or more commonly the block, at first I felt horrible.

Once I improved my appearance, I started getting more positive responses. I still wasn't getting "you're a hunk" responses, but I was getting more "Not bad" "Ok" Cute" or even "Not bad, just not my type" as opposed to the "Ugly" responses I was getting. On top of that, as it was, I was already looking and feeling more confident in person anyway and found myself not caring what random women thought. When I knew that I was looking better on top of it, it made it easier for me to start cold approaching in day time. My success rate so far is low, but the fears I initally had about getting some "Get away you creep" responses are gone because I realize, I'm not a creep and I've done everything I can to improve.

Anyone can confidence and experience and make improvements due to online game?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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COD

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getting validation from online voting public not really indicativ of confidence.

tons of average and even some below average men get laid like rockstars.

Pictures are funny, its all about perception, black and white exude a certain mysterious image and are often more accepted than color pics. A hat on backwards, some sunglasses, various poses, the "bad boy" slight smile all increase your attractiveness.

Tons of picture doctors availabe on the net to alter/enhance your pics.............but IF YOU HAVE TO RELY ON YOUR LOOKS.........you already are not in the right mind set.

Virtual confidence does little to enhance your day game.........way too many men that a lot more cooler online.
 

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Hmmm, interesting thread night owl...

Although I have not personally seeked vaildation online, it is definitely something I have thought about a few times.

As for cold day approaches, how are they going for you? I am interested in this because I too am starting cold approaching women in the daytime, in the real world...I find I get a huge buzz off a good interaction with a hot chick in the day, and my confidence seems to snowball from there and grows and grows until i "hopefully" feel invincible!

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COD - you misread. My confidence never was based on the reactions I was getting (positive or negative) online. And yes, you can get an accurate assessment of what women think of you if you have "normal" pics that show a clear face and body shot.

As for your average and below average guys getting laid like rockstars, are they banging 9s/10s? And if they are are they meeting these women through mutual friends, at parties where they have social proof, or are they cold approaching these women?

djinhell - so far the women have been friendly. They aren't used to getting approached by normal guys in the daytime. They get whistled at by AFCs or get guys staring at them, but 99% of guys don't have the balls to talk to them and the fact that you are well-dressed, normal and not ugly, they at least will talk to you even if they aren't interested. what have you found so far?
 
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