"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Online game vs. Day game.

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Anyone find that online game gave them more confidence to go out there and talk to women in day game? A few years ago I was too afraid to even say "hi" to a girl and couldn't even make eye contact with attractive female co-workers.

My sticking points were:

- I thought most women thought I was ugly or undesirable even the average or not so good looking ones.

- I cared what women thought. If I had approached a woman back then and they laughed at me for some reason, I probably would have had an anxiety attack.

Going online, I sent my pic to women and got their honest opinions. I'd either say "What do you think of my friend" or pretend to be a girl and say "This is my new boyfriend, what do you think?" When I got a lot of negative responses, harsh "What are you doing with him?" or "He's disgusting" responses or more commonly the block, at first I felt horrible.

Once I improved my appearance, I started getting more positive responses. I still wasn't getting "you're a hunk" responses, but I was getting more "Not bad" "Ok" Cute" or even "Not bad, just not my type" as opposed to the "Ugly" responses I was getting. On top of that, as it was, I was already looking and feeling more confident in person anyway and found myself not caring what random women thought. When I knew that I was looking better on top of it, it made it easier for me to start cold approaching in day time. My success rate so far is low, but the fears I initally had about getting some "Get away you creep" responses are gone because I realize, I'm not a creep and I've done everything I can to improve.

Anyone can confidence and experience and make improvements due to online game?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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COD

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getting validation from online voting public not really indicativ of confidence.

tons of average and even some below average men get laid like rockstars.

Pictures are funny, its all about perception, black and white exude a certain mysterious image and are often more accepted than color pics. A hat on backwards, some sunglasses, various poses, the "bad boy" slight smile all increase your attractiveness.

Tons of picture doctors availabe on the net to alter/enhance your pics.............but IF YOU HAVE TO RELY ON YOUR LOOKS.........you already are not in the right mind set.

Virtual confidence does little to enhance your day game.........way too many men that a lot more cooler online.
 

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Hmmm, interesting thread night owl...

Although I have not personally seeked vaildation online, it is definitely something I have thought about a few times.

As for cold day approaches, how are they going for you? I am interested in this because I too am starting cold approaching women in the daytime, in the real world...I find I get a huge buzz off a good interaction with a hot chick in the day, and my confidence seems to snowball from there and grows and grows until i "hopefully" feel invincible!

Dj In Hell
 
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COD - you misread. My confidence never was based on the reactions I was getting (positive or negative) online. And yes, you can get an accurate assessment of what women think of you if you have "normal" pics that show a clear face and body shot.

As for your average and below average guys getting laid like rockstars, are they banging 9s/10s? And if they are are they meeting these women through mutual friends, at parties where they have social proof, or are they cold approaching these women?

djinhell - so far the women have been friendly. They aren't used to getting approached by normal guys in the daytime. They get whistled at by AFCs or get guys staring at them, but 99% of guys don't have the balls to talk to them and the fact that you are well-dressed, normal and not ugly, they at least will talk to you even if they aren't interested. what have you found so far?
 
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