"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Online Game: Trying to Meet the Girl in Real Life

AbsolutBeirut

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This is a story about a girl I met off of Match.com and I had got her number and talked twice before this interchange here. I would like members here to read through this and analyze where I might have acted chodey and how I could have handled it better, here goes:

One night at 12 AM she messages me saying:

HB: What are you doing tomorrow?

AbsolutBeirut: Nothing yet, why?

HB: I have the day off.

Mind you, in our last talk I brought up the idea of us meeting up but I didnt think an opportunity would come this soon.

AbsolutBeirut: Cool wanna meet up after I get off from work?

HB: Maybe..what do u wanna do?

AbsolutBeirut: I was thinking of a chill or relaxed atmosphere..like a lounge but will come up with something tomorrow as I am too tired to think right now lol.

HB: k goodnight

AbsolutBeirut: u too, talk to you tomorrow.

Onwards to the next day, I start messaging her with a greeting in her native language because I luckily have a coworker that speaks that language too.

Another thing to mention is that I live in Point A and she lives in Point B and they are an hour apart, so I am suggesting a venue close to my area to which she says

HB: Its a long drive

AbsolutBeirut: Lol I forgot thta u live far from Point A, how selfish of me? where can we meet that is in between?

HB: I have no idea

Then I suggest an area that is 40 minutes drive for me but 20 minutes drive for her.

For this is takes her a while to respond and I began to lose hope that I'll hear from her. But she does and she says

HB: When do you get out?

she means work because that is where I am and immediately afterwards before I get a chance to respond:

HB: If you wanna meet up for a drink then I have to go to a bday party

to which I send:

AbsolutBeirut: I get out at 6:30 but lets save it for another time as I dont want to hold u up for the bday if I arrive late or get lost since I dunno the area lol


Thats it for now. I hope I still have a chance to salvage this one.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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green69

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Meh. Why are you spending time analyzing things and worrying about how you came across etc.? I think that shows more faults than anything in your dialogue.
 

MotownMack

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I dont see anything horribly wrong there. She sounds like her interest level is mediocre to low, and I actually think you did well to blow her off her invitation that was sandwiched in between another event.

She expects you to drive close to an hour, so she can kill time until she has something better to do? I think that was an excellent move,actually-not AFC at all. You in effect said "Thanks, but no thanks. I got better things to do than run over there to spend 15 minutes with you."



The only thing "chodey" (lol) is you admitting that you're worried about losing her. Don't be. It's online dating, it has a low percentage of working out anyway, and there are a million more that you could easily work up to this level or interest, if not better.

As I said earlier, her interest level does not seem high. Don't go being a turd and chasing her around or driving all the way to see her, as it looks like there is a good chance you'll be wasting your time.

And while you're add it, add a few more plates so you don't make a desperate move.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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AbsolutBeirut said:
Mind you, in our last talk I brought up the idea of us meeting up but I didnt think an opportunity would come this soon.
Being unprepared is just an excuse which leads to failure and frustration.
AbsolutBeirut said:
AbsolutBeirut: I was thinking of a chill or relaxed atmosphere..like a lounge but will come up with something tomorrow as I am too tired to think right now lol.
Having a plan prepared would have allowed you to close the deal then and there. Now you just seem as if you don't have your act together and could just throw something half @ssed onto the wall in hopes that it would stick.
AbsolutBeirut said:
AbsolutBeirut: Lol I forgot thta u live far from Point A, how selfish of me? where can we meet that is in between?
Would have been nice if you were prepared. Had to backtrack to cover it up.
AbsolutBeirut said:
HB: I have no idea
She meant "Are you going to put any effort into this??!!"
AbsolutBeirut said:
Then I suggest an area that is 40 minutes drive for me but 20 minutes drive for her.

For this is takes her a while to respond and I began to lose hope that I'll hear from her. ...
She's getting bored.
AbsolutBeirut said:
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HB: If you wanna meet up for a drink then I have to go to a bday party
Oh yeah, she's bored. Any idea why she didn't envite you along to the party? :whistle:
AbsolutBeirut said:
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AbsolutBeirut: I get out at 6:30 but lets save it for another time as I dont want to hold u up for the bday if I arrive late or get lost since I dunno the area lol
Disqualify yourself before she does, interesting tactic...
AbsolutBeirut said:
Thats it for now. I hope I still have a chance to salvage this one.
Learn from it.
 

Wodan

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I think she showed intrest but that you misinterpreted the situation and lost the opportunity, she was willing to meet you and set a time constraint because she was worried that you may run out of things to say the first time you meet. overall i think distance is a factor aswell, it cant be very casual when you live an hour apart its like a big sign of intrest from the beginning so she knows how important she is to you if you drive an hour to meet her, surely there are lots of girls within 20 minutes.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Problem is, these "online" contacts are mostly a waste of time.
The better looking women get many contacts and are usually
playing games.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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BigFoot said:
Problem is, these "online" contacts are mostly a waste of time.
The better looking women get many contacts and are usually
playing games.
The thing is that even if they weren't online the same thing would have happened unless he changed what he said to her. Sarging online is no different conceptually than offline, you're dealing with the same people. And the preconceived problem with a mass of competition is if you equate yourself to the mass of AFCs who are trying to get their attention. Do things differently and you'll get different results.
 

Wodan

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
The thing is that even if they weren't online the same thing would have happened unless he changed what he said to her. Sarging online is no different conceptually than offline, you're dealing with the same people. And the preconceived problem with a mass of competition is if you equate yourself to the mass of AFCs who are trying to get their attention. Do things differently and you'll get different results.

I totally agree, its not a waste of time, you need to be manipulaltive aswell to get nice ones normally its the same as everyday life, I combat it by being very expressive which i find easy with the webcam on msn which works fine for me, but i do think getting girls off the internet is alot less efficient than in a club or something, the girls often will be further away on the internet, often find antisocial girls on the internet, and theres just more to choose from in a club.
 

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Good replies. Now back to reality. The most attractive women have no need
to post a profile online, unless, they enjoy the attention and playing games.
If they present an attractive picture, some of these women (like my sister)
get 50 emails (or more) a day.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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BigFoot said:
Good replies. Now back to reality. The most attractive women have no need
to post a profile online, unless, they enjoy the attention and playing games.
If they present an attractive picture, some of these women (like my sister)
get 50 emails (or more) a day.
So you are saying that your sister is one of those women who enjoy the attention and playing games so you're using her as your example of women in general? How old is your sister anyway and is she on a paid dating site or is she just using a free social network?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Wodan

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Rash generalisations :p I used to use faceparty with an awful lot of success but the search function has changed now. It was free, packed with hot women, you had a fair few fake profiles but anyone with common sense can spot them. The girls are mainly on to have fun and give themselves more options with guys.

I think most oppen accounts never intending to meet someone off it, but its really not that hard to change theyre minds.
 
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