Online dating has gotten worse since I last did it. You've been warned

[Crossbow]

Online dating is all about how good you look in your photos. Profile and first message means little to nothing. The better you look, the moore in shape you are, the taller, the more $$$ you have the "better" and more "funny" your profile and messages are.

If you aren't photogenic and or tall? Forget it.

If you have "boring" selfies only and don't look jacked or cut up? Forget it.

If you come across as not being a baller with his own business or a high paying job? Forget it.

All women have to do is pretty much not be fat, show some skin use camera angles, touched up photos, model looking professional pics, using apps to make their azz and t1ttys look bigger, look slimmer etc. And they will have dudes every day messaging them. Offer nothing but possible poon and problems for any man. Because let's face it. The ones who are on there should be getting attention and men from work, friends, family, out etc. But they go on there because they are garbage people. 99% of them. The normal ones who try it? Are on and off in a heartbeat.

Women who need OLD pick the top looking ones to respond to while using the rest as ego boosting read delete material while residing on a site or several for years.

If you prefer digging through a garbage dump in hopes of finding a diamond you'd better look damn good in your photos and spend time with a LOT of fruitcakes and dealing with them. OLD if you are "succeeding" on it should be used for possible poon. Way too much time wasting instead of finding quality in real life while working on yourself.

Not trying to discourage posters but before you do it. Be photogenic and cut up and use your absolute best pictures or else you're wasting your time.

 

[Bokanovsky]

The truth is, sarging chicks online takes effort and hard work. There's no instant gratification to living the DJ lifestyle.

Hard work? Not really. Step 1: install tinder. Step 2: swipe right a bunch of times. Step 3: engage in a bit of mindless banter. Step 4: ask her out for drinks. Step 5: go on a date.

From my experience, once you match with someone on tinder and develop a modicum of rapport, there is a 90% chance that she will say yes to a date offer. The flake rate is also pretty low from my experience. You can spin plates on tinder investing no more than 30 min a day and you can do it while you're doing other stuff like walking from place to place or waiting in line to get lunch. I don't know why people still bother with old-school dating sites like match.com.

 

[Bokanovsky]

^^^You're clearly the exception to the rule.

Most of us (and this is just my opinion) have to work hard at it. Which is why most of us (and this is just my opinion) don't succeed at it. Or WON'T succeed at it.

My advice to you: write a book and sell it. You could make millions. Because there aren't many how-to books out there claiming that it's easy, you know?

Suggested book title: "Love At First Type: The Tried, True, and Easy Way to Online Dating. By Bokanovsky."

How tall are you? Are you muscular? Do you consider yourself good looking?

How many women have you laid via online dating?

I don't recall ever having seen your photos on here...

In your opinion, is online dating easy for you because you're exceptionally good looking and suave--or is it just because most guys haven't a clue?

You will not see my photos on here...One has to be an idiot to post private information on a site like this one. I am 6'2, 185 lbs. I work out but I'm not "ripped". I'd say I'm above average-looking, but no male model by any stretch. I have a good job/career (which I make sure to mention early on in conversations with women). If I wrote a book on this, it would be pretty boring. It's a pretty simple routine.

Have you actually tried tinder? I found my success rate with tinder to be much higher than with traditional dating sites. You only message girls who have already liked your pictures and you don't have to wrack your brain trying to come up with some witty introduction. All you need is a "Hey! How are you?"

 

[Robert28]

Hard work? Not really. Step 1: install tinder. Step 2: swipe right a bunch of times. Step 3: engage in a bit of mindless banter. Step 4: ask her out for drinks. Step 5: go on a date.

From my experience, once you match with someone on tinder and develop a modicum of rapport, there is a 90% chance that she will say yes to a date offer. The flake rate is also pretty low from my experience. You can spin plates on tinder investing no more than 30 min a day and you can do it while you're doing other stuff like walking from place to place or waiting in line to get lunch. I don't know why people still bother with old-school dating sites like match.com.

Oh dear Lord does Tinder ever suck! If you aren't getting matched with fake profiles wanting you to follow some bs link to pay to see some titties, you'll get matched with a broad that never talks or when she does match you she doesn't check the fvcking thing for over 3 weeks. It's like they'll match me and then not check the d@mn thing for a month. I especially HATE the women that add me and then don't talk but yet they're on the thing 24/7.

 

[Obsidian]

I'm not sure how many women you actually emailed before calling it quits. If the number was less than 100, you quit too soon. And if you did email, say, 50 women, and got no takers, then you need to take a critical look at yourself. Not that there's anything wrong with you.

I'm always critical and always logical. I suspect that I may just need to lose some more fat and/or get some better pictures.

I'm not sure that I messaged quite 100, but somewhere between 50-100 probably. But I did do an advanced search, and came pretty close to exhausting the type of woman that I'm looking for. I'm not looking for one-night stands (and I explicitly say that in my profile, just to make sure that women who are looking for that won't message me).

And I wasn't calling it quits. I'm just pretty busy IRL anyway, and I've already got one girl (from OKCupid) who's fairly hot and who seems obsessed with me. And like I said before, I feel like I've overfished and need to let the women replentish.

 

[foreverAFC]

i think i would rather just keep getting high and jacking off alone to internet porn in my dark room instead of dealing with any of this crap here at all

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Online dating is quite different to what it once was.

My mate and I tried it out for a laugh on one of the early sites about 10-12 years ago. There were so few guys online back then, I was attracting some really stunning women - like actual fashion models. One of them, I swear, was probably the most beautiful chick I have ever laid eyes on - even spoke to her on the phone. Alas I was far too wet behind the ears to deal with a chick like that in those days. You don't get women like that online any more, probably because they just don't want nor need the hassle; this girl was a model and training to be a lawyer.

Nowadays it's the easy option, that's why everyone does it. Don't get me wrong - for those with real confidence issues, it has its place.

Possibly women are far more impressed with a guy who approaches her in the real world, rather than hiding behind an electronic profile. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say online dating is beta for those that don't suffer a clinically diagnosed social anxiety disorder of sorts. I'm deleting my profile tonight. Don't need it.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[jurry]

I dont have facebook, can I just make a fake facebook profile with my pictures on it and no friends to allow me to use tinder?

 

[Instinct1978]

I dont have facebook, can I just make a fake facebook profile with my pictures on it and no friends to allow me to use tinder?

Yes, that will work

 

[Obsidian]

Dang Espi, I think you proved my point about my needing some better pictures. "Ripped like Brad Pitt in Fight Club." lol...

 

[old married dude]

Problem with Tinder is that there are too many attention *****s, tire kickers, and flakes. I agree with Espi for those reasons, it's not easy. The ones who are serious and DTF are tough to find, but if you can lock in on one & play your cards right, you'll usually hook up more often than not.

 

[synergy1]

So I'll chime in when comparing tinder to the other dating sites. I will say that it is easier to meet up with better quality women on tinder than these online sites. The main reason being that women have a choice as to who they want to talk to. While this was generally true on tinder, recent changes have made it even better. The changes basically limit how many people you can "like" in a given day unless you want to pay more. My response rate has increased a lot, and I have gotten few matches who just sit there and look pretty.

And the nice thing with tinder if you don't need the same stupid game as you do with online sites. Women get a deluge of unwanted emails on match and okcupid. They generally don't on tinder.

I have had very little trouble getting some sex on tinder in the right locations, or getting good overall dates from tinder. Actually I've made a few really high quality lady friends because of tinder. (She lives overseas, and actually came to visit once). The overall dates have been much better than match or OKcupid.

And for disclosure, I am shorter than both of you guys by a few inches and no where near as ripped. But I have plenty of success just being normal. So while looks plays a part, I think there are some other factors that can help make it simple/ easy as well. However as a disclosure, tinder doesn't work with areas with low population such as where I live. Its more geared towards city living.

and oh yeah, go to santa monica CA and get on tinder. I had models talking to me within hours!

 

[skinnyguy]

Online dating is quite different to what it once was.

My mate and I tried it out for a laugh on one of the early sites about 10-12 years ago. There were so few guys online back then, I was attracting some really stunning women - like actual fashion models. One of them, I swear, was probably the most beautiful chick I have ever laid eyes on - even spoke to her on the phone. Alas I was far too wet behind the ears to deal with a chick like that in those days. You don't get women like that online any more, probably because they just don't want nor need the hassle; this girl was a model and training to be a lawyer.

Nowadays it's the easy option, that's why everyone does it. Don't get me wrong - for those with real confidence issues, it has its place.

Possibly women are far more impressed with a guy who approaches her in the real world, rather than hiding behind an electronic profile. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say online dating is beta for those that don't suffer a clinically diagnosed social anxiety disorder of sorts. I'm deleting my profile tonight. Don't need it.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Online dating is very beta. It shows you cannot score a woman in real life and have to resort to the trash on POF etc. You think Channing Tatum uses it?

 

[Bokanovsky]

So I'll chime in when comparing tinder to the other dating sites. I will say that it is easier to meet up with better quality women on tinder than these online sites. The main reason being that women have a choice as to who they want to talk to. While this was generally true on tinder, recent changes have made it even better. The changes basically limit how many people you can "like" in a given day unless you want to pay more. My response rate has increased a lot, and I have gotten few matches who just sit there and look pretty.

And the nice thing with tinder if you don't need the same stupid game as you do with online sites. Women get a deluge of unwanted emails on match and okcupid. They generally don't on tinder.

I have had very little trouble getting some sex on tinder in the right locations, or getting good overall dates from tinder. Actually I've made a few really high quality lady friends because of tinder. (She lives overseas, and actually came to visit once). The overall dates have been much better than match or OKcupid.

And for disclosure, I am shorter than both of you guys by a few inches and no where near as ripped. But I have plenty of success just being normal. So while looks plays a part, I think there are some other factors that can help make it simple/ easy as well. However as a disclosure, tinder doesn't work with areas with low population such as where I live. Its more geared towards city living.

and oh yeah, go to santa monica CA and get on tinder. I had models talking to me within hours!

Thank you. Looks like I'm not crazy after all for suggesting that hooking up with girls on tinder isn't that hard. Espi, you are doing something wrong, man. Either that or your age group has not embraced tinder to the same extent as slightly younger folks. Or perhaps it's your location. Do you live in a small town? Whatever it is, don't assume that everyone else is "struggling".

 

[jurry]

Interesting points synergy makes, im going to give that a go.

Ive heard that a similar concept is behind coffee meets bagel, which was on shark tank. The idea is that these are more geared towards women because there is selectivity and screening, women arent flooded with creepy and bizarre messages from all kinds of guys.

If the women are having a better experience and not being harassed by armies of thirsty men than this is also better for men, because the ones you do match with have had a better history on the app and more likely to get to know you and meet you because there are less options and she isnt overwhelmed.

Also, do other people agree that population density makes a big difference with tinder? I live in small city (200k ish) is it still worthwhile?

 

[Bokanovsky]

And no I don't use tinder. I use match.com.

Then you have no clue what you're talking about. Tinder is different from match.com for reasons explained by synergy1.

 

[Solomon]

Holy snickies Espi I remember you posting your pics a couple years ago but you really got EXTRA ripped. For your age your deiftnely WAAAY above average in looks. I don't know how you do online but I could easily see you cleaning up where i live and banging hot YOUNG poon....

Online dating is all about how good you look in your photos. Profile and first message means little to nothing. The better you look, the moore in shape you are, the taller, the more $$$ you have the "better" and more "funny" your profile and messages are.

If you aren't photogenic and or tall? Forget it.

If you have "boring" selfies only and don't look jacked or cut up? Forget it.

If you come across as not being a baller with his own business or a high paying job? Forget it.

All women have to do is pretty much not be fat, show some skin use camera angles, touched up photos, model looking professional pics, using apps to make their azz and t1ttys look bigger, look slimmer etc. And they will have dudes every day messaging them. Offer nothing but possible poon and problems for any man. Because let's face it. The ones who are on there should be getting attention and men from work, friends, family, out etc. But they go on there because they are garbage people. 99% of them. The normal ones who try it? Are on and off in a heartbeat.

Women who need OLD pick the top looking ones to respond to while using the rest as ego boosting read delete material while residing on a site or several for years.

If you prefer digging through a garbage dump in hopes of finding a diamond you'd better look damn good in your photos and spend time with a LOT of fruitcakes and dealing with them. OLD if you are "succeeding" on it should be used for possible poon. Way too much time wasting instead of finding quality in real life while working on yourself.

Not trying to discourage posters but before you do it. Be photogenic and cut up and use your absolute best pictures or else you're wasting your time.

^^The older you get the more those things matter as well. The hotter you look the more a woman is willing to forgive you for being a chode or lack of game.

Personally for me online dating is dead where I live, unless I wanna fucc whales or Batshyt crazy single mothers. Even Tinder is a graveyard now. The field though is ripe with poon

 

[guru1000]

For the fxck of it, I joined Match today. I put up three pics: One in a suit, one casual, and one shirtless (195 lbs, 11-12% bf).

I used Espi's direct opener of inviting for a drink on the first e-mail. I sent out 30 requests only to members online. In a matter of 1.5 hours, in addition to the 15 likes and 12 winks from outside parties, I had six phone numbers freely given to me in response to my invite. Funny thing is I won't be calling any of them as I have no open slots in the harem.

Listen up Gents: As per Espi's advice, especially as of late; the man's posts are gold

 

[Cloudtopsun2100]

My daygame close percentage is 9%. My Tinder close percentage after 600 right swipes is.. 0.000% .. then again I just did that last night while watching TV but things don't look good. Better to stay in the real world.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

My daygame close percentage is 9%. My Tinder close percentage after 600 right swipes is.. 0.000% .. then again I just did that last night while watching TV but things don't look good. Better to stay in the real world.

I found the same thing, the real world was much better returns. Some men do get a high response in online. The reason is women use it because they like using it like "shopping" for a man. Even if they are just playing around.

The profile has to stand out, and the pictures must be good. This is what really draws them in is the pictures. I'd have great pictures alone and both socially validated. She will wonder what kind of exciting life you have and who are you?