"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Online date from girl from real life. Need Help.

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Okay this is my first post but i used to browse this forum a bit.
Let me explain situation and please give feedback on what to do now [no what should been done in past].

I seen this girl about 3 years ago on some party. Then found her online like year later on some local community portal.
Since then we been e-mailing alot but she was with her bf all time who was jealous even of i-net chats, so our communication stopped.

Now after around 2 years i saw on this portal that hes not anymore with her, im alone now also so i mailed to her straight, that we should meet.
She said that yeah we should, but shes going out of city for vacations [it was around 4 weeks ago] she said for 2 weeks - and when shes back shes gonna msg me and we decide how to meet.

I kinda forgot about it and around 3 weeks lasted [i thought just 1 week lasted] but i saw her online so i msged 'hey its so boring on vacations that u are online?'.
she did not reply. next week [current] i noticed that its already 4 weeks so shes back but didnt msg me.
so i wrote something like 'whats up? we didnt meet yet and ur late already.. stop readying my msg and not knowing what to write back and just msg. would be good to meet before winter comes.'
she did not reply again.

im 28, shes 27. she doesnt know too much of me [im preety good in pua games in rea life, but on internet i suck].
Excuse my english - im not native.

So speaking shortly. Tell me how to play it to get the meeting. Please no options like 'next her' coz thats obvious ;)
Thanks!
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Doesn't look like she's very interested. I think there is not much to "play".

Did somebody say "Next her!" ?
 

squirrels

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NeedHelp said:
Please no options like 'next her' coz thats obvious ;)
Thanks!
If it's "obvious", then do it.

You and everyone else on this god-forsaken forum need to realize that there ARE NO MAGIC WORDS. If a woman is not responding to chat/E-mail/MySpace/whatever requests, you can NOT say something that's suddenly going to change her mind.

In a face-to-face encounter, there are other things at work besides just faceless words. You don't have that in E-mail, so stop trying to simulate it.

Dude, honestly...she blew you off. When a girl tells you that SHE will get back in touch with YOU, as a rule of thumb, 2 times in 3 it's a blow-off. She's trying to get rid of you without seeming dismissive.

If she was serious, you should've gotten her phone number right then and there. If she was serious, she would have given it to you.

The best thing you can do right now is NOTHING. You already look like a little puppy-dog begging for attention, the way you keep sending messages saying, "WAAAAH! DON'T IGNORE ME!!! WAAAAH!!"

And if you're gonna post in the Mature Man forum, put your age in your profile. This sounds like some middle-school stuff to me.
 

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heyehy

I meant, lots of times in such case i seen replies 'next her'. Next her is really no feedback right. Thats what i meant.

To other guy askin of age - read post on the top to the end - i wrote both ages.

She did blew off - we all know it. We didnt talk much since this 2 years as i said. Just my straight mail and her stright acceptance.
I do know when she sys shes gonna msg that means its blow off but it was like:
1. i write to meet
2. she accepts
3. i give exact time and place
4. she rewrites that this is no good, coz next day she leaves city for 2 weeks.

and then story goes. I forgot to write this middle part. so mainly after 2 years we had this 4 msgs + 2 more of me.

So is there anything to do or just inogre her and wait till we meet by mistake in real life. Also i could tell her we can meet in some clubs or so if shes affraid now or whaever happend to her. Well hit me with more feedback if possible.
 
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Needhelp, you're not getting it.

This girl doesn't give a sh!t about you. If she did, she would have gotten back to you. The fact that she accepted your invitation and then said she couldn't make it because she had a vacation coming: classic tactic of getting rid of someone. "Say yes, then decline because something came up." It's called delaying. Some girls hope that you lose heart or that you get the message when they do it often enough. Girls are scared to plainly and directly tell you: "No, thanks. Rather not."

You probably got played, in other words. And don't get all excited by that "probably", thinking there's still a chance. There isn't one with 99% certainty. She would have responded to your other messages if she fell in that 1% category.

So, move on. Next! And that is just as good feedback as anything else is. You may not want to hear it, but hey, that's your problem. :p

If you don't want to do that, feel free to keep running after her, messaging her etcetera. Just know that there is nothing you can say or do that will magickally make this girl like you enough to get in touch with you. Hehe, yeah, if you keep messaging her, she'll eventually get in touch with you. She'll return your messages with something very rude, along the lines of: "Stop harassing me, freak!"

You obviously like this girl, that makes it hard to move on. We know. But just do it. You hardly know this girl anyway, judging from your story. You can't like her that much already. That's just plain desperation if you ask me.

And yes, PUT YOUR AGE IN YOUR PROFILE. It's a rule to be followed by everyone who wants to post in the Mature Man forum. FOLLOW THE RULES. Please. :)


PS.
Be prepared for rude remarks and feedback you don't want to hear, if you keep up the not listening. ;)
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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tony-montana

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yeah man, that's the only feedback you're gonna get. if she was interested she would of got in touch with you. it's as simple as that. also, to my knowledge, girls don't really care much for guys on the internet as they can just get almost any guy offline as easy as clicking their fingers. move on pal :)
 
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