"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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oneitis on a friend

princesimba

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i have this friend who liked me for years now but i never liked her that way

recently she turned hot honest so we dated for a while

then i caught oneitis for her and turned AFC, too much contact.

and now shes flaking, (giving excuses) no longer working for me.

usually in situations like this i will ignore the girl.

except this girl is a friend who i may have to meet up every WEEK, but with a group of our friends, as we have done for years now

usually in social groups i am the centre of attention, but now with this situation...

just wondering how to proceed. please dont tell me to stop meeting tis group of friends because there are many in it who i actually care about.

will appreciate any help opinions :woo:
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Redempti0n

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Get flirty with other chicks withing the social circle.
 

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Its sad, they like you when dont give them attention and they lpse interest as soon as you get a hint of attention. I was in a similar situation and ive been on nc for almost a week in a half.
 

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Get flirty with other chicks withing the social circle.

Always helps^

turned AFC, too much contact.

Tis obvious is it not? No more AFC and less contact. Just quit trying so hard to force something with this girl. They always run away from this type of behavior...and i mean always. They get bored with guys that just throw themselves at them.
 

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SirFratserlot said:
Its sad, they like you when dont give them attention and they lpse interest as soon as you get a hint of attention. I was in a similar situation and ive been on nc for almost a week in a half.
It sucks eh? Sometimes the inner chump in us all causes us to break NC. Keep it up, Im in somewhat of the same boat. Gauging interest levels with my LTR.

But we all know just because they dont initiate, it doesnt mean theyre not interested. Once again, women are complicated.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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SirFratserlot said:
How does it not mean that theyre not interested

Some girls want the guy to initiate, they want to feel chased. Or they just have an insecurity via a previous relationship where the guy said they were too clingy.
 

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Redempti0n said:
Get flirty with other chicks withing the social circle.
of course i'll do this! :)

whats bound to happen next though, since ive known her for so many years, is that she'll find some way to talk to me within the social circle. She's gonna act like nothing wrongs ever happened.

Which brings me to my next question: what do i do when that happens?

ignore her?
indifferent?
nice and polite?
behave as per normal but dont contact her at all once outing ends?
or?

i have next to no experience when it comes to dating friends. Especially friends i cannot go no contact from. Walking away outright has always been my so called ultimate move.
 

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princesimba said:
of course i'll do this! :)

whats bound to happen next though, since ive known her for so many years, is that she'll find some way to talk to me within the social circle. She's gonna act like nothing wrongs ever happened.

Which brings me to my next question: what do i do when that happens?

ignore her?
indifferent?
nice and polite?
behave as per normal but dont contact her at all once outing ends?
or?

i have next to no experience when it comes to dating friends. Especially friends i cannot go no contact from. Walking away outright has always been my so called ultimate move.
Ignore her. Girls who go from ugly to hot tend to have power trips and ignoring her will bring her insecure side out. Once that comes out she (depending on girl) will start chasing simply because she wants you to see how much of an HB 8 shes become. Eventually she will break and do something drastic, possibly sexually.

Giving her attention will just blow her head up, meaning your head wont be getting blown.
 

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I am wondering if the ages of the people involved are under 25. Not all females are the same and people change with experiences. Treat people as individuals. I happen to be a female who does not run from attention from my man but will run from attention from other men.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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IExist said:
I am wondering if the ages of the people involved are under 25. Not all females are the same and people change with experiences. Treat people as individuals. I happen to be a female who does not run from attention from my man but will run from attention from other men.

where can i find a girl like you?:)
 

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princesimba said:
i have this friend who liked me for years now but i never liked her that way

recently she turned hot honest so we dated for a while

then i caught oneitis for her and turned AFC, too much contact.

and now shes flaking, (giving excuses) no longer working for me.

usually in situations like this i will ignore the girl.

except this girl is a friend who i may have to meet up every WEEK, but with a group of our friends, as we have done for years now

usually in social groups i am the centre of attention, but now with this situation...

just wondering how to proceed. please dont tell me to stop meeting tis group of friends because there are many in it who i actually care about.

will appreciate any help opinions :woo:
'Cmon son you been here 2 years.
What have you learnt?

Dead serious. I want you to reply to this post with what you have done, what you think you should do and what happens here next.

I know you haven't been here all this time and learned absolutely nothing.
 

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Purefilth said:
'Cmon son you been here 2 years.
What have you learnt?

Dead serious. I want you to reply to this post with what you have done, what you think you should do and what happens here next.

I know you haven't been here all this time and learned absolutely nothing.
Well technically ive never really been here :)

ok serious. Ive never really liked the idea of forums (hence my low number of posts) and im quite sure u agree that there are more rubbish threads here than good ones but if theres one thing i like about sosuave its that it teaches me respect. Not just respect for others but especially respect for myself.

What have i done? Well i shouldnt have dated a friend in the first place, but since i did i should not have gave her so much attention and i should have just treated her the way i always have.

What i think i should do? Well thats obvious, stop giving this girl attention. How exactly am i gonna do that? Im not sure. Therefore me being here.

What happens next? I dont know. Really.

Like i said, i dont come here often!
 

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Simple , stop giving her attention and ignore her. easy said and done but you have to do this for yourself, also start talking with other girls , once you will do that your mind won't be focused on her and she will see that.

Joe.
 

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zorg198 said:
Simple , stop giving her attention and ignore her. easy said and done but you have to do this for yourself, also start talking with other girls , once you will do that your mind won't be focused on her and she will see that.

Joe.
I think this is wrong. You should just treat her like you used to. Revert everything back and control yourself to the point where she no longer affects you. If this is not possible then you are in fact a broken little man. There are MANY women out there.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Kbomb said:
I think this is wrong. You should just treat her like you used to. Revert everything back and control yourself to the point where she no longer affects you. If this is not possible then you are in fact a broken little man. There are MANY women out there.
revert everything back? which means me flirting non stop with her but never asking her out? cos thats the way it used to be :)
 
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