(One reason) why women treat you poorly

mikeyb

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Does this ring a bell?
* You're dating a woman only to find out you're in a long queue of suitors that she rotates, flakes on, and/or won't sleep with
* Your ex-gf/wife repeatedly f*cked with your head and demonstrated low interest throughout the relationship
* You've been dating a woman for a little while, you get attached, your frame breaks down, and she withdraws instantly
* This woman is always HB9-10 (or at least, she's hotter than you and her physical attractiveness is the main reason you're with her)
* You complain there are no good women left in the world anymore

The interest of a woman is directly proportional to the difference between her SMV and yours.

This is how evolution programmed them. If she's way hotter than you, the "frame" is supposed to protect and isolate you from that so you can either fake higher SMV or break down her initial barriers, but it's temporary and will eventually go away - unless you can keep this up forever, which sounds like a real chore.

Only have interest in women who demonstrate high interest back. If she's not into you, don't be into her. If they're very interested this usually means they have lower SMV than you, and you should be OK with that as long as you are attracted to them. If you're not - well, guess what? Work on yourself and increase your SMV, then go after more attractive women.

Women with lower SMV than you will tolerate slips of frame, nice guy behaviour, and generally make better partners as they are inclined to be more supportive and "work" at the relationship. This doesn't mean you need to look at the bottom of the barrel (unless you have really low SMV yourself), just be realistic.

And, by the way, women nowadays, especially 25+, are aware of "the game", they know about push-pull, they can smell your "frame" a mile away, and the good ones will only tolerate it for so long. If you don't start treating them like human beings after a while they will punish the heck out of you.
 

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Agree on both the messages.

Her behaviour is strictly connected to the respectives SMVs, your frame and game are gonna help only for a period.

At some point reality emerges, even if you can keep up your "game" 24/7 at some point it wont be worth anymore to live like that playing a role without any chance to relax.

I believe its a much better option to work to increase your SMV for real and then just live your life.

If despite your best efforts your SMV doesnt grow enough to match the one of the minimum you seek in women, then go mgtow...still a better option than walking on eggshells with a girls that doesnt find you worth or a one that does but is ugly as fvck.
 

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At some point reality emerges, even if you can keep up your "game" 24/7 at some point it wont be worth anymore to live like that playing a role without any chance to relax
It shouldn't be a role that one is playing, it's suppose to be natural not a act like you're playing a character in a movie, you don't have to keep up a game if that's who you really are. Example- it can be a headache for someone to act "alpha" or "high value" in a relationship because that's not who he is, he's acting like something he's not.

To a guy who is actually high value or whatever you wanna call it doesn't have to put on a act, it's who he is. Guys like this don't even think about "game" they are just being themselves.

Once a man truly becomes "that guy" then it's no longer a act or playing a role, it's him just being himself......
 

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It shouldn't be a role that one is playing, it's suppose to be natural not a act like you're playing a character in a movie, you don't have to keep up a game if that's who you really are. Example- it can be a headache for someone to act "alpha" or "high value" in a relationship because that's not who he is, he's acting like something he's not.

To a guy who is actually high value or whatever you wanna call it doesn't have to put on a act, it's who he is. Guys like this don't even think about "game" they are just being themselves.

Once a man truly becomes "that guy" then it's no longer a act or playing a role, it's him just being himself......
Thats what I said, better to improve yourself till its your real you rather than planning each and every action you do every moment.

Not everyone can reach a certain value, some of us will be stuck at a level that wont make it worth to deal with current women.

You cant grow to 6'2 or become a millionaire, we have a ceiling when it comes of the SMV we can reach, some of us can reach the sweet spot while others simply have to either drop it and live in peace or accept a woman that is not the hottie we all want.

Also high value is a subjective term, what is high value to us is not necessarily a high value to women.
 

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If SMV was a real thing then explain why I see so many attractive women with guys WAY below them? Not for just a few dates but marriage, long term. I see it every day, she’s hot as hell and he’s less average looking than you. Good looking people do hookup with and date good looking people but not all the time. I would bet it’s 60% or lower. Maybe these weird looking couples aren’t where you are but damn if I don’t see them around here.
 

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The second she knows she has you, her subjective opinion of her SMV becomes your own SMV (so you're equals now), at which point is entirely up to her whether she is contented enough to accept that.
 

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The second she knows she has you, her subjective opinion of her SMV becomes your own SMV (so you're equals now), at which point is entirely up to her whether she is contented enough to accept that.
Sometimes they think lowly of themselves. No matter how visually attractive. Thus you dont want her viewing you as her level.
 

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If SMV was a real thing then explain why I see so many attractive women with guys WAY below them? Not for just a few dates but marriage, long term. I see it every day, she’s hot as hell and he’s less average looking than you. Good looking people do hookup with and date good looking people but not all the time. I would bet it’s 60% or lower. Maybe these weird looking couples aren’t where you are but damn if I don’t see them around here.
Those guys are very confident because of other SMV sources than looks and this other source is usually money.

If you have a lot of money you have
- better car
- better apartment/home
- additional sources of wealth
- great holidays => buffed social media profile
- usually you have more interesting aquaintances (so your environment can be good for monkey branching if someone is bored with you)
- you can train player mentaility better

So generally speaking ugly guy + hot chick => guy has money (albeit he will tell you that she went after him or simply picked her up) which is bs really. For her he was like a great offer but one provision that was bolded is so-so (his looks) alas whe she finally assesed his total SMV, she decided to be with the guy.

So guy isn't WAY below her, actually she is WAY below him because MONEY dwarf LOOKS if guy is healthy (old sick farts with money can have dinner date with hottie and that's it or ... get cu.cked if they fancy that)
 

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Anytime she doesn't stay within your frame, is disrespectful, changes the terms of your arrangement, etc you just say bye and walk away. You may lose the lady, but at least you'll still have your self respect; which is worth more anyway.
 

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The worst mistake you can make is let these women change and shape you into what they want you to be and how they want you to act. Fvck that nonsense. I know the “just be yourself advice” is bad but changing who you are as a person to appease some broad is even worse.
 

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If you are plating as you should be actually this is a good thing. The annoying girls get less of your time and either lift their game or drift away. And the good girls get more of your time and rise up the rankings. any young guys should have a 3 Plate rotation and bust his ass until he has that in place.

Even if the girls are fives or sixes to start with ir helps your vibe.
 

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Agree on both the messages.

Her behaviour is strictly connected to the respectives SMVs, your frame and game are gonna help only for a period.

At some point reality emerges, even if you can keep up your "game" 24/7 at some point it wont be worth anymore to live like that playing a role without any chance to relax.

I believe its a much better option to work to increase your SMV for real and then just live your life.

If despite your best efforts your SMV doesnt grow enough to match the one of the minimum you seek in women, then go mgtow...still a better option than walking on eggshells with a girls that doesnt find you worth or a one that does but is ugly as fvck.
Ugly as sin can have a banging popping body and a magnificent snatch. So all is not lost.
 
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Easiest relationships is when your girlfriend´s SMV is just slightly below yours and she knows it.

Or when you da best SMV dude in LTR she´s ever had and she knows it.
 

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And, by the way, women nowadays, especially 25+, are aware of "the game", they know about push-pull, they can smell your "frame" a mile away, and the good ones will only tolerate it for so long.
Damn. There go my chances of gaming a 25 year old women!

If you don't start treating them like human beings after a while they will punish the heck out of you.
Punish you? You sound like a Bugs Bunny cartoon.
 
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